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Re: Microsoft Israel chief leaves amid ethical controversy

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Post by thin_carapace »

Mr_Bees69 wrote: post #102
Fando wrote: post #84

~28,000 Gaza children murdered in 2 years by Israeli gov. About 68,000 people are officially confirmed killed. 70% of all casualties are women and children. "Western liberal democracies", especially the US gov, are up to their necks in blood, as usual. Microsoft is no different, its only concern is to avoid legal trouble and uphold the facade of legal obligation, otherwise business as usual with Israeli gov. In any c…

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thats a paradoxical opinion. somebody did something bad therefore their opinion isnt worth discussing. you stated your opinion, therefore you believe its worth discussing. ever do anything bad before?

for what its worth i could spend a few thousand words discussing why this man is evil for supporting genocide, and i could also spend a few thousand words discussing why this man is good for protesting against wanton war. these are both true simultaneously.

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Post by js8 »

hersko wrote: post #88
js8 wrote: post #38

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You can think of genocide as a special case of a war, one where the party being genocided has no army or weapons to defend itself.

What do you mean no weapons to defend themselves? They have plenty of weapons...

No, Palestinians in Gaza hardly have food and shelter, let alone weapons. Maybe Hamas (which most Palestinians despise) had couple handguns they managed to smuggle in but that's useless against bombs, tanks and drones.

Gaza has been under Israeli blockade for more than 2 decades now. Of course there is a resistance to that. It never had a regular army in any meaningful sense.

Anyway, you're not really disproving my point. The original poster has already conceded that killing, even in war, is not humane. Genocide just happens to be a war where there are no effective combatants left on one of the sides, so what remains is killing of civilians.

Re: Microsoft Israel chief leaves amid ethical controversy

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Post by syeare »

XorNot wrote: post #143
stasomatic wrote: post #68

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Like... all of us 300 million plus? Thanks dude.

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As if voting changes anything beyond the color ("red"/"blue") of the paid-off figurehead in power Voting hasn't been anywhere remotely close to real since the 20th century

Re: Microsoft Israel chief leaves amid ethical controversy

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bhouston wrote: post #16
noworriesnate wrote: post #5

TIL that Microsoft is the least Israel-friendly of the big three clouds: > Among the cloud giants, Microsoft is considered the most vulnerable to anti-Israel protests and allegations of the use made by the Ministry of Defense on Azure, its cloud platforms, since it is the only company among the three major cloud companies that has not signed a special agreement with the Israeli government and the Ministry of Defense.…

> TIL that Microsoft is the least Israel-friendly of the big three clouds This is a good thing. American companies should not be allowing their tech to be used to in the gross ongoing human rights violations in Israel/Gaza/West Bank. Google and Amazon knew their tech could be used for human rights abuses in Israel (their lawyers warned them so) but ignored that in favour of $$$ per the EFF: https://www.eff.org/deepli…

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Re: Microsoft Israel chief leaves amid ethical controversy

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Post by tardedmeme »

shevy-java wrote: post #67
danudey wrote: post #39

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Agreed, but then Germany is also to be held liable as it supports Israel and allows the USA to use its bases there to bomb people in far-away countries. So there is a huge inconsistency here, IMHO.

Correct. Germany is the second largest supporter of Israel, and arrests people who criticise this.

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Post by za3faran »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #141
shrubble wrote: post #72

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I’m kind of confused, in that Israel is not that big in terms of population, about 10 million people; how much data and cloud do they need? The state of Pennsylvania is 13 million; would MSFT losing PA do them serious financial damage?

Israel is essentially fighting wars on multiple fronts at all times. Since they are so small and vulnerable, they have to lean more on intelligence. As a result they have the most advanced intelligence apparatus in the world, far beyond US intelligence for example. Part of their intelligence strategy, clearly, is advanced use of technology & data collection/mining/analytics. So they're gonna end up with a lot of data…

They're mass surveilling the vulnerable Palestinians they're genociding, and now turning their eyes toward Lebanon and Syria.
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