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EU Parliamentary Research Service calls VPNs "a loophole that needs closing"

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Re: EU Parliamentary Research Service calls VPNs "a loophole that needs closing"

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Post by palata »

salawat wrote: post #115
ionwake wrote: post #96

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guy on website called hackernews, tries to convince everyone more restrictions are good

Website called "Hacker News" has had zilch to do with the Hacking community for almost a decade now. It's VC and corporate apologist news.

Are you calling me a corporate apologist? For one, corporations want less regulation.

"Being a hacker" does not mean "being stuck in the 80s", IMO. If TooBigTech cryptographically controls everything, it becomes harder to hack. Are you aware that the biggest restriction against jailbreaking stuff is that it was made super illegal... because it helps corporations?

Re: EU Parliamentary Research Service calls VPNs "a loophole that needs closing"

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Post by palata »

oytis wrote: post #114
palata wrote: post #85

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Adolescents, or kids? Would you say it's completely stupid to want to stop kids from watching porn, or accessing social media? Did you grow up with free streaming platforms? Pretty sure many adolescents were accessing porn before those, though it was slightly less accessible. I personally don't have a definitive opinion about porn (I feel like young kids obviously shouldn't have access to it, but it shouldn't be ille…

I dunno, you have experience being a kid, right? Young kids are just not interested enough to look for porn, not to say figure out how to use VPN to access it. Lax restrictions like we have today are enough to stop porn from being forced on children who are not interested in it

It's not just "look for porn", it's "being exposed to stuff they shouldn't be exposed to".

E.g. the problem of social media is not that kid access information. It's more that kids get harassed by other kids.

Re: EU Parliamentary Research Service calls VPNs "a loophole that needs closing"

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Post by christophilus »

delusional wrote: post #134
nirui wrote: post #109

In case people no longer remember, when China started to require websites to register for a license before be allowed to operate, it was for "protecting the children" too. This simple policy then goes on to silence most individual publisher(/self-media) and consolidated the industry into the hands of the few, with no opportunity left for smaller entrepreneurs. This is arguably much worse than allowing children to wat…

> This is arguably much worse than allowing children to watch porn online, because this will for sure effect people's whole life in a negative way. I would like you to make that argument.

Parents can protect their children. Source: I’m a parent. My kids haven’t seen porn and can’t access the internet. This doesn’t affect the free exchange of ideas that my fellow countrymen enjoy.

Governments getting involved absolutely, unequivocally will be used to clamp down on the free exchange of ideas.

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Post by chii »

xg15 wrote: post #54
zeroonetwothree wrote: post #11

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I don’t understand, did broadcast TV or cable do age verification? Surely kids could watch content that was for adults very easily.

Broadcast TV had a very simple solution to this problem: Only air the not-for-kids stuff at times of the day when the kids are already asleep, i.e. late in the evening or at night. It was still the job of the parents to set the bed times etc, but at least this was something the parents could actually control. And for pay-per-view stations with actual heavily violent or pornographic content: Yes, they were absolutely…

and who sets that pin? It's the parents, not the cable company.

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Post by tgv »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #32
tgv wrote: post #24

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> grabbing Dad's phone That will only very rarely happen. Do you actually know people that will just give you their phone so you can watch porn? For more than one minute? People are so addicted to their phones. > it's not about the children It's also about the children, but there surely are parties which use the process to further their own goals. > I am tired of the intolerant being tolerated That's not the right qu…

> Do you actually know people that will just give you their phone so you can watch porn? They don't ask for it, they take it when you're busy or sleeping. Teens certainly weren't asking for Dad's VHS tapes or magazines when I was a kid. I suppose this problem is solveable, too, though. Mandatory biometric locks on every device capable of accessing the internet, why not? > That's not the right quote for this case. It…

> they take it when you're busy or sleeping

That will be quite noticeable. And tricky if it's face or fingerprint locked, something I see in all phones around me are. Daddy likes his privacy too.

For the rest: rant on, but it'll only reduce your audience. One thing we can learn from history: calling people fascists doesn't work.

Re: EU Parliamentary Research Service calls VPNs "a loophole that needs closing"

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Post by tgv »

ExpertAdvisor01 wrote: post #52
tgv wrote: post #21

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Just the fact that it takes NGOs and journalists to uncover tax evasion practices. The governments and tax offices aren't looking. CumEx was a scandal in 2017, and despite being known since 1992, has only recently led to just a handful of prosecutions.

Cumex was not a tax loophole it was straight up fraud .

So imagine the enthusiasm of chasing "legal" practices.

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Post by hnlmorg »

palata wrote: post #157
hnlmorg wrote: post #110

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> Doesn't mean that it's equivalent to giving them free access to those consumables. Why do people on HN always need to look at things as a Boolean state? It’s entirely reasonable to have some preventative measures but acknowledging that there are ways to circumvent them and accept that as a reasonable conclusion. Things don’t need to be “all or nothing” ;) > Source? I grew up pre-WWW. Literally lived and breathed th…

> It’s entirely reasonable to have some preventative measures but acknowledging that there are ways to circumvent them and accept that as a reasonable conclusion. I totally agree. That can be used as an argument in favour of age verification, though.

Sure, if you ignore the other part of my comment where I said parents should be responsible for the upbringing of their own children.

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Post by immibis2 »

dryarzeg wrote: post #129
microtonal wrote: post #43

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There is no such thing as the EU wants X . There are huge differences between what the European Commission, the European Council, and the majority of the European Parliament want. Most of the anti-privacy crap hasn't happened thanks to the EU . Particular countries and lobbying groups have been pushing this through the Commission and Council and most attempts have been rejected by the EP. If we didn't have the EU, so…

> By the way, nearly all your comments on HN are about politics and all trying to sow dissent on Western (and especially European) democracies. Disclaimer first: I'm not trying to protect him and I'm not tied to him in any possible way. But since when constantly expressing your own opinion (that's what I assume given the age of the account; maybe I'm wrong, but this seems rather like a person than a bot) is a deliber…

Talking continually about politics is against the HN guidelines.
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