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Re: Mojo 1.0 Beta

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Post by msaelices »

boxed wrote: post #44
Reubend wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know what they meant by it, and I share your opinion that "AI native" is somewhat meaningless for a programming language like this. Regarding compilation and static typing, it's extremely helpful to be able to detect issues at compile time when doing agentic programming. That way, you don't run into as many problems at runtime, which of course the agent has more difficulty addressing. Unit tests can help brid…

I've recently used Claude to write quite a bit of mojo ( https://github.com/boxed/TurboKod ) and I can quite confidently say that Claude will write deprecated mojo syntax a lot , but the compiler tells it and it fixes it pretty fast too. The only reason I notice is that I look at Claude while it's working and I see the compilation warnings (and sometimes Claude is lazy and doesn't compile so I have to see it). But ye…

Have you used the Mojo syntax skill with modern LLMs? It is updated to latest Mojo and I can say nearly 100% of my code is written by AI, with good quality, and the compiler helping it too.

Re: Mojo 1.0 Beta

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Post by msaelices »

chrismsimpson wrote: post #27

I do wonder if Mojo was a great idea just a little too late to the party. Porting ‘prototypes’ from Python to lower level languages is fairly trivial now with LLMs.

Modern LLMs are perfectly capable to learn the syntax of a new language on the fly and write great Code. E.g. there is an official Mojo syntax skill you can use and works well

Re: Mojo 1.0 Beta

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Post by redlewel »

IceDane wrote: post #32
thefounder wrote: post #30

Does it have the indentation thing? That would be a no go for a lot of people

Only incredibly inexperienced people think indentation in python is a problem.

Yes, I remember having a problem with python indentation. For some reason tabs and spaces were causing my code to fail to run!! This was when I was first learning programming and didn't know anything. Once I understood the syntax of the language it hasn't been a problem ever since. Its like being upset that your yaml doesn't work because you have mixed spaces and tabs.

Re: Mojo 1.0 Beta

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Post by redlewel »

logicchains wrote: post #8

Very bold of them expecting people to use a language with a closed source compiler in the 2020s.

WOW. Thanks for the comment I don't need to waste my time. So many choices for programming languages why would I go with something that isn't fully open source?

Re: Mojo 1.0 Beta

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Post by sirfz »

coppsilgold wrote: post #139

Python is basically the master glue language at this point. If more than a few percent of execution time is spent in Python you are probably doing it wrong. Personally I don't even understand why Cython is a thing, just write performance critical functions in other languages: https://pypi.org/project/rustimport/ > https://pypi.org/project/import-zig/ > Note that you can even start threads in those languages and use f…

Cython is a no-brainer really. You write the same language with immense speedup (matching what the "other languages" can achieve at much less effort).

Also tools like numba can beat them all at way less effort.

Imho, dropping into other languages should be the last resort in any project.

Re: Mojo 1.0 Beta

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Post by runarberg »

ssivark wrote: post #157
runarberg wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used Julia a lot when I was studying statistics (which I dropped out of) back in 2015, but I recently (like last weekend) came back to it to write a prototype of a supervised learning model, and I have to say, coming back to it was pure joy. And my model prototype was indeed fast enough for me. Now I will probably rewrite the model in rust if I want to do anything with it (mostly for the web assembly target as I wa…

> mostly for the web assembly target Funny you should say that... there was recently a very interesting announcement for a Julia-to-WASM compiler and a full-stack signals-based web framework: https://discourse.julialang.org/t/ann-experimental-wasmtarge...

I saw that, but then I saw this:

> Both repos were built iteratively with LLM coding agents

I think I would rather just use Rust.

Re: Mojo 1.0 Beta

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Post by fuzztester »

kstrauser wrote: post #91
smartmic wrote: post #36

Advertising prominently with "AI native" seems necessary today, at least for some folks. To me, that's kind of off-putting, since it doesn't really say anything. Can anyone of the AI enthusiasts here explain, why, or, what is meant by > As a compiled, statically-typed language, it's also ideal for agentic programming.

It’s the new “…on the blockchain”. Python+ruff+pycheck and TypeScript are compiled to bytecode instead of machine code. They’re not statically typed in the Rust sense. And yet, I’ve watched model crank out good, valid in both of those without needing to be either strictly “compiled” or “statically typed”. Turns out AI couldn’t care less about those properties as long as you have good tooling to quickly check the code…

>It’s the new “…on the blockchain”.

yes, except it's more ... on the same lines, just to hammer the point home:

it's web 2, it's SaaS, it's the latest weekly, er, sorry, daily, hottest JS framework, its the latest rap / punk / hippie / dreadlock / crewcut / swami / grunge/ guru hairstyle, it's agile, it's functional programming, it's OOP, it's OOAD, it's UML, its the Unix philosophy, its Booch notation, it's CASE tools, ... going back even further, it's structured programming, it's high-level languages, it's assemblers, its veganism, it's the keto diet, it's the Atkins diet, it's the paleo diet, it's cholesterol is bad, no, it's good, etc etc etc.

Re: Mojo 1.0 Beta

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Post by fuzztester »

fuzztester wrote: post #167
kstrauser wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s the new “…on the blockchain”. Python+ruff+pycheck and TypeScript are compiled to bytecode instead of machine code. They’re not statically typed in the Rust sense. And yet, I’ve watched model crank out good, valid in both of those without needing to be either strictly “compiled” or “statically typed”. Turns out AI couldn’t care less about those properties as long as you have good tooling to quickly check the code…

>It’s the new “…on the blockchain”. yes, except it's more ... on the same lines, just to hammer the point home: it's web 2, it's SaaS, it's the latest weekly, er, sorry, daily, hottest JS framework, its the latest rap / punk / hippie / dreadlock / crewcut / swami / grunge/ guru hairstyle, it's agile, it's functional programming, it's OOP, it's OOAD, it's UML, its the Unix philosophy, its Booch notation, it's CASE too…

iow, it's the equivalent of your common or garden variety of teenager proclaiming that this new thing they just found is gr8, all else is shite, only to jump on the next bandwagon next week, month, or more rarely, year.

Re: Mojo 1.0 Beta

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Post by FacelessJim »

runarberg wrote: post #18

I am actually on a lookout for a low level language which compiles to web assembly to write a (relatively small) supervised learning model which I plan to be good enough for 5 year old phone CPUs. I have a working prototype in Julia and was planning on (eventually) rewrite it in Rust mostly for the web assembly target. I come from a high level language background so the thought of rewriting in rust is a little daunti…

Might want to take a look at WasmTarget.jl it’s rather new and experimental but could be what you’re looking for!

Re: Mojo 1.0 Beta

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Post by nothinkjustai »

IceDane wrote: post #32
thefounder wrote: post #30

Does it have the indentation thing? That would be a no go for a lot of people

Only incredibly inexperienced people think indentation in python is a problem.

Seems just as valid as any of the other syntactical nitpicks of other languages, except it touches every line of code you write and it’s unavoidable.
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