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Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Post by annoyingnoob »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #112
annoyingnoob wrote: post #98

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We could die chocking on the air that produces too. Understand the history in CA and the reasons we have special gas. Would you really want to hurt children for cheaper gas? Really? https://today.usc.edu/las-environmental-success-story-cleane...

> Would you really want to hurt children for cheaper gas? Really? Yes. Most voters would, too. "Cheaper gas" understates how serious even a $20/week increase in living costs can be for a household on the margin.

I'm not sure that most voters that have lived through smog in SoCal would vote for that. It is easy to decide that its okay to pollute a place where you don't live.

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Post by traderj0e »

whatthesmack wrote: post #160
neaden wrote: post #28

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Who do you think started the current war?

Iran did, by killing over 1000 Americans over the last 47 years.

So what, how many Iranians did the US kill?

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Post by wiredfool »

bsimpson wrote: post #58
daedrdev wrote: post #36

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CA’s requirement that it gets its own blend of gas is combined with how its openly hostile towards its ever decreasing refineries and that it is impossible for a new refinery to ever open makes it’s supplies absurdly limited

It's bonkers that some of the most expensive gas you'll ever buy is in SF, and Martinez is right there . You could bike there, if they allowed bikes on the bridge.

I paid the equivalent of $12.50 a gallon for diesel at the peak price a month or so ago.

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Post by traderj0e »

mylifeandtimes wrote: post #93
com2kid wrote: post #55

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Bicycle doesn't carry a family of 4, or carry loads of dirt or pick up lumber or tow a trailer. Also my e-bike needs more maintenance than my EV. Go figure.

carry a family of 4 where? if you rely on that other location exisiting, you are not self-reliant. tow a trailer where? see above. Pick up a load of dirt or lumber-- how did those materials get to the pick-up point? And the road you are driving on, where did it come from?

Being conservative doesn't mean I don't want roads or businesses to exist.

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Post by jst1fthsdys »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #147
jsbisviewtiful wrote: post #143

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Sounds great for people and the environment. Too bad its production is now in danger thanks to horrible, ignorant decisions by this administration.

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Prices just shot up over a dollar nationally and no one is burning anything down.

The real "let them eat cake" is the biggest polluters externalizing the costs of that pollution down to the people, all while the state is dismantling the EPA and clean energy.

Imagine if we had real public transportation across the nation. Less pollution AND cheaper for the average person. Wonder why that isn't happening.

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Post by bdcravens »

triceratops wrote: post #157
bdcravens wrote: post #148

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Possibly, or more infrastructure is needed to support the growing demand for renewables, and the equipment is often trucked around using standard freight (large trucks or airplanes), concrete trucks to pour slabs, etc.

Electric trucks are rapidly becoming a thing. And even if not, more trucks delivering equipment for renewables get balanced out by more EVs. Not to mention natural gas and oil will always need to be shipped around. Whereas when you have enough renewables and a grid that can supply enough electricity, shipping panels and batteries drops by a lot.

Yes, and I look forward to when electric freight is a thing, but I do think it's an overstatement to say they are "rapidly becoming a thing". Articles about electric trucks among the HN crowd make it feel that way, but those are tests that don't really reflect what's happening in the market. (Most of the available data puts the overall percentage of freight moved by renewables at less than 0.1%). I suspect we're 10-20 years away from a time when a majority of DC chargers, solar panels, or wind turbines are transported using something other than gasoline or diesel.

Don't get me wrong, I'm quite dogmatic about renewables (we have 2 EVs, pay more for various renewable options, aggressively recycle, avoid single-use plastics, etc). I'm just pragmatic in my outlook.

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Post by traderj0e »

za3faran wrote: post #144
traderj0e wrote: post #140

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This is oversimplifying war. Whoever struck first isn't necessarily the one who created the conflict.

In this case it is.

I don't know, can see this either way. Iran's leadership has been stating for decades that they want to destroy Israel. They've been funding militias who launch rockets at Israel, during times when Israel wasn't threatening Iran's existence in any way. They were launching rockets just before this war started. But US pulled out of nuclear deal and killed Iranian leaders during first Trump administration, and has been meddling with Iran for decades.

All I'll say for sure is the US shouldn't be involved, and shouldn't have taken such a one-sided approach during Israel's founding. None of this benefits us, we simply have traitors in our government.

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Post by jsbisviewtiful »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #147
jsbisviewtiful wrote: post #143

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Sounds great for people and the environment. Too bad its production is now in danger thanks to horrible, ignorant decisions by this administration.

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Sure but do you recall what LA looked like in the 80's? The gas is more expensive but the unseen cost of that level of pollution is very high. The gov can solve all future gas problems with EV subsidies and manufacturers can help solve this problem by making affordable EVs, but getting the current admin or manufacturers to do either seems like a cruel joke at this point. The fed is going as far as to deny Chinese car imports because the EVs are so cheap it would crash the US car industry.

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

jst1fthsdys wrote: post #165
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Prices just shot up over a dollar nationally and no one is burning anything down. The real "let them eat cake" is the biggest polluters externalizing the costs of that pollution down to the people, all while the state is dismantling the EPA and clean energy. Imagine if we had real public transportation across the nation. Less pollution AND cheaper for the average person. Wonder why that isn't happening.

> Wonder why that isn't happening

Because the US is overwhelmingly urban sprawl and is not Europe. The only way to fix this is to tear down and rebuild (which we cannot afford), or accept that public transit wait times are terribly slow due to the distance between stops.

Combine that with a lack of nerve to aggressively combat crime or antisocial behavior on transit, maybe a fear of perpetuating inequality or something, and anyone who isn’t a man doesn’t feel safe trying it.

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Post by tharmas »

wilg wrote: post #86
kyrra wrote: post #64

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California also needs a special blend that is only required in California (CARBOB). A lot of that is refined outside of the US, because there is not the capacity domestically. Cali could immediately have more fuel and cheaper prices by dropping their special requirements.

Nice of Donald Trump to force us into a choice between poisoning the air and financial hardship! But at least it was for a good reason: ???

He's trying to control the oil that goes to China. First, take Maduro then close the Straight of Hormuz (to prevent oil going to China). The rest is just collateral damage as far as he's concerned.

This is all about keeping China down, and preserving American Hegemony. That's his definition of "making America great again". He doesn't care that you're paying more for food, gasoline, etc. and that the rest of the third world will soon be starving.

Gulf States get a swap line (can't let Wall St crash), but you get no bail out because the elites don't care that you are hurting. They care about the Gulf States hurting because that ultimately means Wall St will crash which would hurt the Billionaire elites.

So to sum up, the reason is maintain America's Hegemony and protect the Billionaire class.

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