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Re: US healthcare marketplaces shared citizenship and race data with ad tech giants

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Post by toasty228 »

Ylpertnodi wrote: post #104
BowBun wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, this is a common point of confusion when talking to Europeans about racial issues in the US (as I found out myself recently). Race in our contexts refers to your background/birthplace/heritage. On our government forms: "What race are you?" "White, black, hispanic, etc." This is fundamentally different by intent than in Europe (using french here) where we refer to 'la race humaine' which is the _species_. The nua…

Most Europeans are NOT confused by this. Sheesh.

Try asking anyone in Europe what race they are, especially in an administrative context lmao

Re: US healthcare marketplaces shared citizenship and race data with ad tech giants

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Post by pengaru »

nickburns wrote: post #111
levocardia wrote: post #18

The actual "sharing" was using the Meta pixel and TikTok's equivalent, presumably so the healthcare exchanges could do retargeting or similarity-based marketing to get people to sign up for health care coverage. Which, narrowly, seems like a reasonable thing to do. But of course using the pixel automatically "shares" the data with Meta/ByteDance/whoever, and they get to use it for whatever nefarious purpose they want…

The state healthcare exchanges doing any kind of targeting and/or marketing, even to 'get people' to sign up for subsidized healthcare, could also be conceived of as unreasonable. I could be wrong, but I wouldn't think their mandate under the ACA contemplates any targeting or marketing of themselves whatsoever—even if it's ostensibly to increase enrollment. That it feels like there's an implicit assumption that they…

What was that saying about paving the roads to hell?

Re: US healthcare marketplaces shared citizenship and race data with ad tech giants

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Post by mekdoonggi »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #136
consumer451 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Welcome to the reality of the US federal government not even trying to do something like GDPR.

The dysfunction is intentional. Baby steps to rollback ACA. Every small inconvenience pushes voters closer to their side.

Republicans have the easiest playbook.

1. Break government 2. "See? Government never works!" 3. Profit 4. Repeat

Parasites.

Re: US healthcare marketplaces shared citizenship and race data with ad tech giants

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Post by streb-lo »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #142
TallGuyShort wrote: post #70

I used a state (Colorado) healthcare marketplace website when I was going to take a break between jobs for a couple of months, and I feel very violated by the whole process. I entered a bunch of information to the website, knowing that the data could be expected to be shared for quotes, but I got no quote. The information didn't just flow between systems, it was just sent directly to a bunch of individuals. Instead o…

Possible you got tricked into using a private site that buys the first google sponsored google result, and talks like it is the official Colorado site but is just lead gen? https://i.imgur.com/d2fZlTc.png

How is that even legal?

Re: US healthcare marketplaces shared citizenship and race data with ad tech giants

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Post by PearlRiver »

toasty228 wrote: post #161
Ylpertnodi wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most Europeans are NOT confused by this. Sheesh.

Try asking anyone in Europe what race they are, especially in an administrative context lmao

The government asking race questions on official forms would be rather unthinkable! We don't mention the war.

Re: US healthcare marketplaces shared citizenship and race data with ad tech giants

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Post by traderj0e »

1659447091 wrote: post #157
ButlerianJihad wrote: post #155

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Dolezal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Santos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Warren#Ancestry_and_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretendian

My point being, Where is the complete taxonomy? The argument I have parsed from links, with the absents of context or words, is not about race, it's about if a person is Native to the Americas. Wait, no it's not because many Mexicans are natives but not that kind of native. So which native american? Hope you are seeing the argument that can be made if someone actual whats to spend the time and money arguing it. They…

Without a taxonomy, somehow like 100% of people would say that I'm white

Re: US healthcare marketplaces shared citizenship and race data with ad tech giants

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Post by traderj0e »

ButlerianJihad wrote: post #155
1659447091 wrote: post #154

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> What would happen if you just lied? What is lying in this case? Where is the official government backed race classification list? If you look at the options they don't even know what they mean by "race". There are options asking if you are hispanic, which my definition of the meaning takes the Spanish speaker form, what about french or german speakers why are they discriminated against? And surely when they list co…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Dolezal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Santos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Warren#Ancestry_and_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretendian

I'd seen the first one before but missed the part where she also plagiarized a slave ship painting

Re: US healthcare marketplaces shared citizenship and race data with ad tech giants

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Post by xp84 »

dominotw wrote: post #73
xp84 wrote: post #58

I’m more annoyed that these government healthcare marketplaces are asking people their race in the first place. Really don’t think anything should be, including job applications.

do they ask about pre existing conditions? then prbly race also makes sense.

1. one of the main points of the ACA that hasn't been rolled back is that they can't worry about pre-existing conditions anymore

2. even if they could, it would be pretty illegal, I think/hope, to then be like "Oh, well your sickle cell anemia is going to be paid for differently, because everyone knows black people statistically have more of that.

Re: US healthcare marketplaces shared citizenship and race data with ad tech giants

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Post by DangitBobby »

aksss wrote: post #129
DangitBobby wrote: post #100

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It's not even remotely the same scale. At least the government ostensibly has its incentives aligned with the public. False equivance gets us further from where we need to by focusing people on the wrong problems.

"Ostensibly" is the mistake in your formula. Current events are replete with examples to the contrary. It's not equivocating to recognize that governments are organizations of humans, subject to the same limitations - the larger they get, the harder they are to manage well; talent is incredibly important to success in mission; leadership is incredibly important to integrity, ethics, and strategy; lower oversight and…

Consider the bulk of your comment to be directed similarly as criticism to corporations, minus effective correction mechanism, plus direct incentive to extract as much wealth as possible by providing as little value as possible.
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