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Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by darknavi »

cantalopes wrote: post #126

Why cant users disable connectivity elsewhere other thsn canada? People are supposed to call their car dealer each time after car update before turning it off again? Seems to be a cheap pr stunt to portray canadian regulation in attempt to shed good light on rivian

The same reason Windows only respects users choices in Europe, they make more money with the settings elsewhere in the world and will only change unless regulated.

> In the EEA, Windows will always use customers’ configured app default settings for link and file types, including industry standard browser link types (http, https).

https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2023/11/16/preview...

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by AlotOfReading »

simpaticoder wrote: post #6

This is insufficient. There needs to be a physical button that either physically disconnects every antenna and/or de-powers the transceiver.

How would they do that? I'm sure you can buy some sort of aerospace component that has the signal integrity to do radios, but it sounds expensive. There's a reason these kinds of components (e.g. muxes) aren't usually physical disconnections.

Automotive power relays are at least a thing, but they're expensive consumables that have significant power draw.

In either case they would have had to add the components at design time and do the physical validation/testing, not ship it as a software update.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by Aboutplants »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #132

We all know selling your information to 3rd parties is a virtual goldmine. Either Rivian is doing much better than expected in the luxury space or they're unaware of the value of this data. There's no evidence of old fashioned goodwill here.

I think they know only a small percentage will actually turn it off, the data they get from the other 90% is worth the good will you get from the 10% that opt out. It’s a fair trade off

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Post by tricolon »

skilning wrote: post #119

Why the hell would disabling internet connectivity disable lane-keeping assist? O.o

Because Rivian doesn't have a mode for _just_ lane-keeping. There's Adaptive Cruise Control (which maintains speed) and there's Highway Assist (which maintains speed and position in the lane). Highway Assist only works on certain mapped highways.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by giancarlostoro »

ModernMech wrote: post #73
dmoy wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they meant that ycombinator is literally a VC shop So if being VC funded puts you off an editor, being VC funded may also put you off ycombinator.com

Yes, indeed it does. I didn't feel this way until I worked for a YC-backed startup tho. I mean, YC is the first to admit that not everything needs to be VC funded and some things just aren't good fit for that funding model. I think a code editor is one of them.

> I mean, YC is the first to admit that not everything needs to be VC funded and some things just aren't good fit for that funding model. I think a code editor is one of them.

Fully agree. I also feel like a lot of companies do not need to be on the stock market, especially if they're reasonably profitable, feels like the stock market is where you go to let go of more of your company just to get rid of the VCs whom you owe a lot of money to.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by froh »

xmprt wrote: post #155
bri3d wrote: post #33

> limit or disable certain functionality in the vehicle: ... over-the-air updates, which provide new ... safety enhancements ... I wonder what happens if you disable the e-SIM (in the US) and then a safety recall appears via software update - do dealers have any way to update control modules besides OTA? This is a huge unresolved issue with EVs IMO; ICE cars are required to provide emissions-relevant updates over sof…

What's special about EVs that gives them this loophole? Is it something to do with not having dealerships and going direct to consumer?

without oil change and wear of brakes there is little need for inspections.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by afh1 »

Cider9986 wrote: post #36

Related: Mozilla did a review of different cars for privacy: ( https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/privacynotincluded/arti... ) >Nissan earned its second-to-last spot for collecting some of the creepiest categories of data we have ever seen. [Their privacy policy] includes your “sexual activity.” Not to be out done, Kia also mentions they can collect information about your “sex life” in their privacy policy. Oh, and…

Main reason why I will never buy an EV, and keep driving my Internet-free Honda until it dies, which will likely be after me.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by freeopinion »

codazoda wrote: post #140
bri3d wrote: post #33

> limit or disable certain functionality in the vehicle: ... over-the-air updates, which provide new ... safety enhancements ... I wonder what happens if you disable the e-SIM (in the US) and then a safety recall appears via software update - do dealers have any way to update control modules besides OTA? This is a huge unresolved issue with EVs IMO; ICE cars are required to provide emissions-relevant updates over sof…

This is tangential, but Kia declined to cover an engine failure, under warranty that was extended by recall, because I had not done an update. Edit: I eventually recovered most of the cost via a settlement court.

Even more tangential: Kia declined to cover an engine failure, under warranty that was extended by recall because I change my own oil.

Kia's engines are known to fail predictably even within first 100K miles. They extended their warranty because of it. But then they weasel out of it unless you hire an attorney and go to war.

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