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HashiCorp co-founder says GitHub 'no longer a place for serious work'

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Post by _heimdall »

bensyverson wrote: post #124
alper wrote: post #122

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The entrenchment here is ridiculous. The average software engineer does not care at all about their vcs or their forge and their knowledge of both is extremely shallow. For the people who want to do their work and get on with their life, it does not really matter that much.

Exactly. I run my own Gitea server, but put my stuff on Github, because that's where the people are. Self-hosting an MP3 is not the same as being on Spotify.

I keep my open source work on github for similar reasons. I don't expect nor want to deal with contributors having to create accounts on a self-hosted forge for every individual project they work on.

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Post by dijit »

Dwedit wrote: post #136
dijit wrote: post #86

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> Serious question, have you been part of an org that had to scale orders of magnitude very quickly? I have, but it depends what you mean. Scenario 1: e-commerce SaaS (think: Amazon but whitelabel, and before CPUs even had AES instructions); Christmas was "fun". Scenario 2: Video Games. The first day is the worst day when it comes to scale. Everything has to be flawless from day 0 and you get no warning as to what ca…

I think you meant "green fields" and not "clean room"? Clean room refers to reverse engineering an existing program to create specifications, then having another team implement the specifications without legal risk from involving the original.

Yes I did, sorry! You are right. :)

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Post by hylaride »

gwbas1c wrote: post #70
strictnein wrote: post #45

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The purchase wasn't a year ago, it was 8 years ago. In that time how much has it grown? 10x? 100x? More?

It's probably due to a more recent change, IE, focusing on features over stability. Or, it could be that there was some turnover in ops and someone who was a hawk about stability isn't there. If I were to bet, there's probably a product manager or other leader who's just gung-ho on new features and loosing track of who their customers are and what their needs are.

IMO, it's probably a combination of factors. I get the feeling GitHub has no clear leadership by anybody who actually USES it. The priorities internally were almost certainly "get onto azure, shove copilot/AI down everybody's throat, and other generic "product driven" initiatives. The user-hostile move to react was done in a way that broke browser back-button functionality, especially in Pull Requests.

They don't/didn't care because what are you going to do?

On one hand, the free users shouldn't complain too much, though I get their anger. But the place I work is an enterprise paying customer and this is bullshit.

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Post by DanielHB »

cjbgkagh wrote: post #64
strictnein wrote: post #48

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> I remember some 4 years ago ... This was shortly after the microsoft acquisition. The acquisition was 8 years ago.

They started with a hands off approach and then went hands on, I’m not sure but that ‘hands on’ timing is likely to happen shortly after the usual acquisition vesting period of 3 years when the old guard starts to leave.

Yes you are correct, ~4 years ago was when they had a lot of layoffs at microsoft and github. Initially after the acquisition it was mostly fine, but after the layoffs it was a noticeable degradation in service quality and reliability.

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Post by GlacierFox »

bellowsgulch wrote: post #125

I’m certain I’m up there in the 1% of users, or close to it, that are writing software daily in terms of consistent prolonged volume of work and work that is actually used by others over the past nearly 20 years based on user activity statistics I’ve collected. I, too, am a fairly, but not immediate early user of GitHub. Despite GitHub’s poor metrics, I am still shipping, because writing software doesn’t require GitH…

"Hashimoto’s comments sound disturbed and I hope he finds some peace..."

You don't often see the completely unhinged ad hominem 'faux mental health concern' segway here on Hacker News to try and paint someone as 'disturbed'. Thought that was mainly a Reddit thing people do.

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Post by hobofan »

kartoshechka wrote: post #113

just like hashicorp, its careers site redirects to IBM site with no filter to find hashicorp positions

I do get the link https://www.ibm.com/careers/search?q=hashicorp which seems to do a decent job of filtering to Hashicorp positions.

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Post by smrq »

realusername wrote: post #87
deadbabe wrote: post #25

I feel like I’m out of the loop, or maybe I’m just not a super GitHub power user, but GitHub does pretty much what I expect and I haven’t had issues with it. All my git commands for GitHub just work and PRs and code reviews are the same as it’s always been. Can someone explain what exactly is so bad now that leaving it entirely to use some new platform, even spinning up your own servers, is a reasonable alternative?

They have less uptime than my home NAS, this is the #1 thing that is wrong with it. And the most recent bug is "we added random code to some PR and some PR became invisible" which is a wtf bug which should be impossible to exist.

"We made merging to main silently drop some commits from main" was another good one recently. If GH had only one job, not doing that would be it.

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Post by jeffwask »

WestCoader wrote: post #6

Nothing is pissing me off more than GitHub's stability going down the tubes RIGHT as work is migrating everything, and I mean everything, from CircleCI to GH. The wildest thing is that Azure Repos/Pipelines was better than this. Their one caveat is also that they are still migrating it to Azure infra, so it's possible that's still in a one foot in one foot out kinda scenario, from what I've heard. But, this isn't ins…

We ended up an Azure Pipelines kinda by default because it was there and mostly paid for with the intention of later migrating, but it's been fine. Boring but stable and functional.
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