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Re: Warp is now open-source

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Post by scratchyone »

satisfice wrote: post #152
scratchyone wrote: post #151

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In all honesty, the people who want to turn off AI won't be downloading Warp in the first place. I know Warp has interesting terminal innovations because I've been familiar with it since before the AI boom, but new users can't really tell. Homepage header is "Warp is the agentic development environment", only screenshot on the homepage shows what appears to be a product similar to cursor/antigravity/etc AI IDE. Fair…

I don’t use Warps AI features. It’s pretty easy to avoid them.

I agree, it seems like disabling them is quite easy. I'm more speaking to the new user perspective. From looking at their site I would have no clue that that product even had features aside from AI. I would never have a chance to find out I can disable the AI features.

Re: Warp is now open-source

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Post by jacklbk »

james2doyle wrote: post #106
hmokiguess wrote: post #22

I swear I tried. I installed warp maybe 4 times after long intervals. At each time I always ended up with the same feeling as my initial impression: overwhelming. I think I’m not the target demographic for it, I’m fine with iTerm2 and Ghostty, but I somehow still feel this void where I wish the terminal was a little more abstract and rich, just not to the level Warp takes it. I wish there were an in-between solution…

I feel similar. I have been using cmux over the last few weeks: https://cmux.com/ Seems to fit a good balance for the way I want to use my terminal

Love cmux but lately it's having performance issues. It is not responding for a few seconds when I switch between terminals in the same workspace. I'm tired of it and just use ghostty. I miss the notification from cmux though :(.

Re: Warp is now open-source

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Post by pancsta »

hmokiguess wrote: post #22

I swear I tried. I installed warp maybe 4 times after long intervals. At each time I always ended up with the same feeling as my initial impression: overwhelming. I think I’m not the target demographic for it, I’m fine with iTerm2 and Ghostty, but I somehow still feel this void where I wish the terminal was a little more abstract and rich, just not to the level Warp takes it. I wish there were an in-between solution…

Terminal should be just a terminal and all the features should be on the server side. All these fancy client side toy terminals are for ppl who are unable to set it up correctly. Test - connect from another (random) terminal, does everything still work?

TLDR; shortcut for the less able

Re: Warp is now open-source

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Post by u_fucking_dork »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #155
u_fucking_dork wrote: post #58

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Neither I nor the comment I replied to are talking about Alacritty

The comment you replied to is talking about how a company used the Alacritty code exactly how its license allows.

The comment I replied to is speaking about the industry at large and how we’ve all had the wool pulled over our eyes by nefarious actors, presumably at Amazon and friends.

Re: Warp is now open-source

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Post by bluGill »

mpyne wrote: post #140
bluGill wrote: post #51

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The biggest scam is GPL convincing people that the license will keep things open source. Every try contributing to Chrome's web engine? It started as GPL khtml, but good luck doing anything as google controls it. Meanwhile FreeBSD manages to get plenty of contributors. Don't get me wrong, license is important. However it doesn't have nearly the effect many people claim.

KHTML was LGPL, just as with the rest of the KDE libraries. Otherwise Apple wouldn't have been able to fork it in the first place.

LGPL yes. However the rest is false. GPL would have made a bit more of their fork open source, but Apple would have otherwise had no problem forking it and not allowing contributors. KHTML developers often complained in those early years that their fork was in theory open source, but it quickly became so different that it wasn't possible to figure out which changes were wroth porting and which not.

I suspect a lawyer could look at the state of WebKit and Chrome these days and conclude there is so little original code remaining that it can be re-licensed to closed source (see a lawyer for what this complex bit of law means) - worst case they only have to rewrite a small amount.

Re: Warp is now open-source

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Post by ktm5j »

elcritch wrote: post #68
ktm5j wrote: post #36

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I mean, if they have a working relationship with each other then I guess the alacritty folks don't hate their guts. That's meaningful from my perspective. Also remember that the $50m is not revenue that they can use however they want. They have an obligation to their investors to make money with it.

> They have an obligation to their investors to make money with it. It's bit more nuanced. The company management have fiducial responsibilities to the investors but also have responsibility to the company itself and its employees. E.g. Milton Friedman's shared-holder primacy is a crap philosophy and one of the most damaging ones to actual healthy free market economies. For example, in corporate bankruptcy in the US…

Finance definitely isn't my thing, so thanks for the info.

Re: Warp is now open-source

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Post by bluGill »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #150
bluGill wrote: post #51

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The biggest scam is GPL convincing people that the license will keep things open source. Every try contributing to Chrome's web engine? It started as GPL khtml, but good luck doing anything as google controls it. Meanwhile FreeBSD manages to get plenty of contributors. Don't get me wrong, license is important. However it doesn't have nearly the effect many people claim.

It is open source. You are free to fork it if you don't like the terms for contributing to that repo so long as your fork remains open source, just as Apple did with KHTML, Google did with Webkit, and Electron and Brave did with Blink. If Warp were open source to begin with, people would have been free to rip out the things they didn't like in it and build upon the things they liked, benefiting the project that was f…

In theory yes. In practice a web engine is so complex you need a large team. Your fork may start out good, but quickly it will become so far behind everyone else that it isn't usable as a browser for the latest sites. Plus you won't hear about many security issues/fixes until you are exploited.

Unless you can find a large team willing to maintain your system a fork is something that is not realistically possible. As volunteers I doubt you can get enough help, but if you are rich you can hire plenty of developers who would love to help.

Re: Warp is now open-source

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Post by hmokiguess »

zachlloyd wrote: post #33
hmokiguess wrote: post #22

I swear I tried. I installed warp maybe 4 times after long intervals. At each time I always ended up with the same feeling as my initial impression: overwhelming. I think I’m not the target demographic for it, I’m fine with iTerm2 and Ghostty, but I somehow still feel this void where I wish the terminal was a little more abstract and rich, just not to the level Warp takes it. I wish there were an in-between solution…

We hear this feedback a bunch and are trying to make Warp more customizable so you can pick and choose which of the extra, non-terminal features you find most useful . You can turn off all the AI if you want, and also control what editing features are surfaced (e.g. file tree, diff view, etc). Would love feedback on how to improve the experience.

I believe you, though this last time when I installed, the first impression was a giant popup to upsell the Oz agents and all the AI stuff, clicking through it was really difficult, and after that was done I was sort of lost.

I think you need a proper gate before you land so that you have different funnels for onboarding rather than a single journey that assumes all users are the same if you really want to try and have a larger market share.

Then, if you want to upsell stuff to these users, let them opt-in, wait for them to become more sticky, give them some incentive, and that's it.

Alternatively, abandon this direction completely, may not be worth your strategy and priorities as a business.

Re: Warp is now open-source

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Post by hmokiguess »

scratchyone wrote: post #161
satisfice wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t use Warps AI features. It’s pretty easy to avoid them.

I agree, it seems like disabling them is quite easy. I'm more speaking to the new user perspective. From looking at their site I would have no clue that that product even had features aside from AI. I would never have a chance to find out I can disable the AI features.

Exactly, it's not "AI bad", it's more like "Feature Factory" pumping hard makes this overwhelm to start
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