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Re: Tim Cook Is Leaving. Good

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Post by azinman2 »

zeratax wrote: post #8
sgt wrote: post #2

> Your AirPods just connected to the wrong device. Again. > iMessage is taking twenty minutes to sync a message between your laptop and your phone sitting six inches apart. HomeKit forgot the kitchen lightbulb exists, and will remember it again in three hours like nothing happened. I've literally seen nothing of this happen (or to my family all on Apple devices). While I don't doubt they do happen to some unfortunate…

Every time I do report these kinds of bugs it's clear to me they clearly do not look at them lol. The Feedback site still thinks windows 10 is the latest windows version and doesn't even display the latest ios version.

They are looked at.

Source: I work for Apple.

Re: Tim Cook Is Leaving. Good

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Post by jshier »

MoonWalk wrote: post #152
CWuestefeld wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anything I missed? Under Jobs, UX was king. Devices had to be intuitive, and features discoverable. Today, all that user-friendliness is gone. The devices are no longer approachable for a newbie: you have to just know how to use them.

Yep. The secret "gestures," the peek-a-boo UI, and now "transparent" UI that overlaps other junk on the screen. It's not even consistent with itself. Example: On iOS, bring up the list of open pages in Safari; each thumbnail has an X in the corner to close it. Pretty intuitive and standard. But now bring up the list of apps running on your phone. There's nothing. No X or other affordance. Who the hell would guess he…

Except Jobs approved the design of that screen, which hasn't fundamentally changed since early versions of iOS (iPhoneOS). And it's that way because quitting apps isn't supposed to be something you do very often, if at all. Nowadays people clear the app history by habit, but it was really only supposed to be for misbehaving apps that were burning your battery, so having an affordance to make it easy was never the point, despite how people use it today.

Also, please stop doing this, it breaks apps. It's unnecessary and just forces your apps to cold launch every time you use them.

Re: Tim Cook Is Leaving. Good

#163

Post by DrScientist »

montgomery_r wrote: post #3

I think the criticisms of the current software stack are well founded. There is friction there, stuff doesnt work that should. OP even neglected to mention the glaring Finder column view bugs or the Taboe corner radius window selection issues. But as a user since System 6.x, including A/UX and MacOS X since public beta - it was ever thus. Macintosh pre OSX was well known as an acronym for Most Applications Crash, If…

Why oh why for example can't you resize the System Settings window?

If you are in the wallpaper view - there is content off the screen to the right, but no visible scroll bar, nor ability to resize. The only way to scroll appears to use the keyboard to navigate the wallpapers ( which has the side effect of setting them ).

I don't expect these kind of UI issues on MacOS.

Re: Tim Cook Is Leaving. Good

#164

Post by FireBeyond »

ch4s3 wrote: post #114
AstroBen wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So much of Apple's growth is anti-consumer. You can't repair your device. They're intently focused on locking you in as much as possible, making it hard to leave, and not by making such a good product. They try their best to force app developers to pay them their 30% tax, even when the devs brought the customers in from elsewhere. They, for so long, refused to support RCS and downgraded the messaging experience with…

You can easily see a totally different perspective on all of these if you try a little. > You can't repair your device. Everything is increasingly integrated for dust/water proofing, components are integrated to reduce the power envelope and push performance. Repairability is the tradeoff. > They're intently focused on locking you in as much as possible All of their products and services are tightly integrated and ha…

> > You can't repair your device.

> Everything is increasingly integrated for dust/water proofing, components are integrated to reduce the power envelope and push performance. Repairability is the tradeoff.

This is a fair point. But when I hear "you can't repair your device" I also think "you can't take it to someone of your choice to repair", which is often true, too, even though that limitation is artificial - witness the Rossmans and others of the world who can absolutely repair these devices. There's a whole YouTube channel of a guy who makes ASMR videos of him doing things like removing iPhone/iPad/MBP storage and replacing it with large capacity chips.

Re: Tim Cook Is Leaving. Good

#165

Post by jshier »

dd8601fn wrote: post #159
AstroBen wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So much of Apple's growth is anti-consumer. You can't repair your device. They're intently focused on locking you in as much as possible, making it hard to leave, and not by making such a good product. They try their best to force app developers to pay them their 30% tax, even when the devs brought the customers in from elsewhere. They, for so long, refused to support RCS and downgraded the messaging experience with…

You might want to read up on what happened with the dumpster fire that’s vaguely called RCS before you go laying that at Apples feet. Also Apples cut is 15% unless you’re doing millions in revenue. Same as Google.

Unlike Google, Apple makes you jump through the hoops of their small business program, if it's available, before they'll drop it to 15%, otherwise you're stuck at 30.

Re: Tim Cook Is Leaving. Good

#166

Post by FireBeyond »

enraged_camel wrote: post #52
MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple's income now rival some GDPs But so has the rest of FAANG. Did Tim Cook really overperform? Growth compared to 2011: Apple ~8× Microsoft ~13–14× Google ~10× Facebook* ~10–15×

Aside from a false start with Apple Intelligence, Apple did not try to repeatedly and shamelessly shove AI down everyone's throats in all their products and services, which is why their "growth" hasn't been as pronounced as those of the others. And, frankly, I'm OK with that.

They do like to pretend Siri is comparable, though. Which is, frankly, insulting.

Re: Tim Cook Is Leaving. Good

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Post by moepstar »

jshier wrote: post #162
MoonWalk wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. The secret "gestures," the peek-a-boo UI, and now "transparent" UI that overlaps other junk on the screen. It's not even consistent with itself. Example: On iOS, bring up the list of open pages in Safari; each thumbnail has an X in the corner to close it. Pretty intuitive and standard. But now bring up the list of apps running on your phone. There's nothing. No X or other affordance. Who the hell would guess he…

Except Jobs approved the design of that screen, which hasn't fundamentally changed since early versions of iOS (iPhoneOS). And it's that way because quitting apps isn't supposed to be something you do very often, if at all. Nowadays people clear the app history by habit, but it was really only supposed to be for misbehaving apps that were burning your battery, so having an affordance to make it easy was never the poi…

> Except Jobs approved the design of that screen

..which they, as far as i recall, pretty much stole from WebOS back then..

(well, the functionality aspect of it at least)

Re: Tim Cook Is Leaving. Good

#168

Post by threatofrain »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #118
AstroBen wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So much of Apple's growth is anti-consumer. You can't repair your device. They're intently focused on locking you in as much as possible, making it hard to leave, and not by making such a good product. They try their best to force app developers to pay them their 30% tax, even when the devs brought the customers in from elsewhere. They, for so long, refused to support RCS and downgraded the messaging experience with…

Anything I missed? Under Jobs, UX was king. Devices had to be intuitive, and features discoverable. Today, all that user-friendliness is gone. The devices are no longer approachable for a newbie: you have to just know how to use them.

That's not Apple, that's just current design trends everywhere. Jobs was popularizing UX idioms for yet-new hardware to the customer. Now we live in a world where children grow up with tablets.

If you go to Google's design you're not going to see an alternative take from the same playground of design, plus or minus some glassiness, emoji, bounce, etc.

Re: Tim Cook Is Leaving. Good

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Post by DrScientist »

namdnay wrote: post #47
MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple's income now rival some GDPs But so has the rest of FAANG. Did Tim Cook really overperform? Growth compared to 2011: Apple ~8× Microsoft ~13–14× Google ~10× Facebook* ~10–15×

the very fact that we're comparing apple, a (mainly) hardware company, to a bunch of software companies is in itself a measure of incredible success for Apple.

If you want hardware then Nvidia about up about 450x since 2011 :-)

Re: Tim Cook Is Leaving. Good

#170

Post by DrScientist »

namdnay wrote: post #146
two_cents wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft is hardware company too. Surface, Xbox, computer peripherals, etc.

they're clearly not the main revenue drivers, contrary to Apple

If you look at Apple's profits - it's about evenly split between 'Services' ( like music and app sales etc ) and hardware.

Now hardware gross revenue is about 3x the services - but the profit margin is much higher on services.

Apple don't break out the numbers so it's difficult to know how much of that service revenue is tied to people owning Apple hardware and how much is independent ( like Apple Music or Apple TV ).

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