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Re: The Classic American Diner

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There's a well run diner here beside the courts and because they have booths which are a little more private than tables it's always full of lawyers with clients or architects with builders that need space to lay out plans. It's always some professionals utilizing the whole table. Many armed sheriffs too so there is always security. It's run like a Michelin star restaurant the second you are out of water someone is t…

Im convinced that real estate costs are whats confining restaurants to more confined service. In lower cost areas booths seem to be much more common.

Re: The Classic American Diner

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Waffle House is your jam. Only in the southern US unfortunately

WH is all over the place in the US. I live in CO and go regularly. I’m 90% sure I saw one when I was in Utah.

I'd be hard pressed to find one anywhere near a major urban area thats not in the south. They do exist sporadically in rural areas and along highways in many other areas

Re: The Classic American Diner

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These prices adjusted for today's value seem off though. I'm guessing you'd be hard pressed to find a diner burger for $5.14 anywhere. No, fast food joints are not the same here and not part of this discussion. Where is the discrepancy? I've never really trusted these "adjusted for inflation" type numbers. I'm not an economist so I have no idea how they are calculated, but they've always just felt off to me. Usually,…

Well, the $5.14 figure is using the generalized inflation number derived by tracking the price of a specific basket of goods over time, across the entire country. This is a reasonable number to pick. If you narrow down to Food for all Urban Consumers[1], it shifts to more like $5.24. If you look at "Food away from home in New York-Newark-Jersey City, NY-NJ-PA, urban wage earners and clerical workers, not seasonally a…

Burgers we get today are certainly not better than a 1945 burger in any way.

Re: The Classic American Diner

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I use "super-baskets" like say US GDP per capita >The June 1940 photograph along Hwy 1 in Maryland had $0.05 hotdogs ($1.17) and $0.10 burgers ($2.34). 1940 $779 to today's $94K GDP per capita gives $6 for the 1940 $0.05 hotdog.

94K GDP/Capita for US is wildly off it’s around 66K.

IMF 94K

https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDPDPC@WEO/USA/DEU

you're probably still in 2020 when it was 66K :) That is the real inflation here.

Re: The Classic American Diner

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Eddie Rocket's is an Irish chain of American diners. I've eaten there in Dublin. Although at least that location is downtown, and in a bigger building, not a classic diner style building. The inside is very much American Diner themed with vinyl seats, chrome, jukebox controls at the table, and of course the menu of burgers, fries, shakes, etc. https://www.eddierockets.ie

It's reassuring in a vague, indescribable way to know that while the Irish are exporting Irish pubs to the USA, we're exporting diners to Ireland. Like, maybe they're passing each other somewhere over the Atlantic, and giving each other a friendly nod as they go along their respective journeys.

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Re: The Classic American Diner

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Well, the $5.14 figure is using the generalized inflation number derived by tracking the price of a specific basket of goods over time, across the entire country. This is a reasonable number to pick. If you narrow down to Food for all Urban Consumers[1], it shifts to more like $5.24. If you look at "Food away from home in New York-Newark-Jersey City, NY-NJ-PA, urban wage earners and clerical workers, not seasonally a…

Burgers we get today are certainly not better than a 1945 burger in any way.

I wasn't around so I'll have to take your word for it?

Re: The Classic American Diner

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I'd love someone to build a tool that shows the price of that burger, say, and breaks it down to the input cost. Burger: $5.00 ---------------- Meat: $0.20 Bun: $0.05 Staff: $0.25 Insurance: $4.50

I've heard the rule of thumb in a well run restaurant business is 30/30/30/10: 1. 30% food costs 2. 30% labor costs 3. 30% overhead 4. 10% profit margin

Right. But how much of that 30% food cost is insurance that the farmer paid?

It's insurance all the way down.

Re: The Classic American Diner

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The photos does not display what I hate the most: the fixed 2 double seats tables. It is completely antisocial. You can't arrive with your group of six friends and "join tables" so everybody can seat together. What Americans have against a big group of friends?

Couple of things. First, the patrons never put the tables and chairs back where they're supposed to be (even if they try, they get it wrong), so the minimum-wage waitress/busboy is stuck with the job of rearranging furniture, and cleaning up the floors. This is one reason that large groups get the "mandatory gratuity" treatment. Turnover: every restaurant needs to turn over tables on the regular. If a large group is…

All rational reasons for the configuration, but it is still antisocial. Remember that your reasons are valid all around the world but just USA has this table/chair configuration.

The weapon reason is really funny.

Re: The Classic American Diner

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The problem with this model is that the staff and insurance are essentially fixed costs, so if they sell 500 burgers on Saturday but only 250 on Tuesday, then the insurance cost-per-burger on Tues is double what it is on Sat. Staffing might increase by an extra body or two on the busy days but won't double, so it also has a much higher cost-per-burger on Tues. I am not a restauranteur, just a customer (and observer)…

Insurance is not a fixed cost. Property and auto insurance are, but liability is a percentage of sales, its fixed for a year then adjusted for next years planned sales.

"its fixed for a year"

Re: The Classic American Diner

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Pancakes, maple syrup, and bacon... Biscuits and gravy... We had a place like that in Berlin about ten tears ago. Free coffee refills, free tap water on every table. That place sadly did not survive.

Nalu?? God I miss that place. Run by an American couple but they moved away and I’ve not found anything truly comparable since.

Yes Nalu. Me and my American partner still miss that place...
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