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Re: South Korea police arrest man for posting AI photo of runaway wolf

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Post by culi »

RIMR wrote: post #109
rwmj wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"easily" is doing some heavy lifting there. Is Photoshopping this image together really easier than prompting an AI?

Yes, it was easy. Just because AI is "easier" doesn't mean that photoshopping a dog into a picture was ever particularly hard.

Making it convincing certainly was. Being able to generate an image in 30 seconds is completely different from having to dedicate an hour of your day to it.

In the gun debate, there's something called "Weapon Instrumentality Effect"

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1088767907306507

Re: South Korea police arrest man for posting AI photo of runaway wolf

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Post by culi »

rm30 wrote: post #77

The BBC article doesn't specify the text with the image, but I clearly see a procedural gap in the police department. Accusing a man who only posted a photo, reorganizing the search based on an unverified photo, it's a big failure. Did Orwell teach anything? What will they do with the next Visitors' spaceship photo?

Posting misinfo online like that during a hunt that has the entire nation's attention is yelling fire in a crowded theater. Speech acts aren't protected when they unhinge on other rights. Like the entire subspecies of wolf surviving. It is extinct in the wild

Re: South Korea police arrest man for posting AI photo of runaway wolf

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Post by amenhotep »

stronglikedan wrote: post #133
lukan wrote: post #68

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Intent or not, it did disturb as it misslead. And .. how can one imagine not disturb a search, when posting a wrong location?

Intent or not, disturbing the search or not, it's silly that the authorities would arrest a civilian because of their own incompetence.

Everyone involved in this including the police are civilians

Re: South Korea police arrest man for posting AI photo of runaway wolf

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Post by sigmoid10 »

maplethorpe wrote: post #159
sigmoid10 wrote: post #89

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I guess people here are too young to remember things like the WTC plane guy. Half the people online thought it was genuine, while he did it for the lulz in a few minutes. Nobody cared about inconsistent lighting and perspective. Same way most people don't care about the obvious hallmarks of diffusion model generated pictures today.

I'm not too young. I can't remember if I thought it was real at the time, but if I did, I give myself a pass since I was probably viewing it on a 15 inch CRT at 1024x768. Because we're talking about the ease of Photoshopping a wolf into a scene, I think it's also worth pointing out that floating objects are a lot easier to work with than grounded objects, since cast shadows and bounce lighting are less of an issue. H…

The picture in the article also doesn't look very high res. So it's actually the exact same circumstances as WTC guy, except the police actually cared enough to act on the picture but not enough to verify it. You could take all these arguments here and apply them 1:1 to photoshop in the late 90s / early 2000s. Back then it was also easier than ever before to manipulate images and non-experts could suddenly do what only professional forgers could before. AI has merely slightly lowered the bar further to the point that even people who have trouble turning on a PC can do it now.

Re: South Korea police arrest man for posting AI photo of runaway wolf

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Post by maplethorpe »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #164
maplethorpe wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not too young. I can't remember if I thought it was real at the time, but if I did, I give myself a pass since I was probably viewing it on a 15 inch CRT at 1024x768. Because we're talking about the ease of Photoshopping a wolf into a scene, I think it's also worth pointing out that floating objects are a lot easier to work with than grounded objects, since cast shadows and bounce lighting are less of an issue. H…

The picture in the article also doesn't look very high res. So it's actually the exact same circumstances as WTC guy, except the police actually cared enough to act on the picture but not enough to verify it. You could take all these arguments here and apply them 1:1 to photoshop in the late 90s / early 2000s. Back then it was also easier than ever before to manipulate images and non-experts could suddenly do what on…

> AI has merely slightly lowered the bar

I guess we're not going to agree on just how far that bar has fallen. Learning Photoshop as a teen got me my first job. The only reason I had one at all was because most people couldn't do a very convincing job of it. Now even my mom, a person who struggles to open her email, can do a better photoshop than me.

Re: South Korea police arrest man for posting AI photo of runaway wolf

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Post by sigmoid10 »

maplethorpe wrote: post #165
sigmoid10 wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The picture in the article also doesn't look very high res. So it's actually the exact same circumstances as WTC guy, except the police actually cared enough to act on the picture but not enough to verify it. You could take all these arguments here and apply them 1:1 to photoshop in the late 90s / early 2000s. Back then it was also easier than ever before to manipulate images and non-experts could suddenly do what on…

> AI has merely slightly lowered the bar I guess we're not going to agree on just how far that bar has fallen. Learning Photoshop as a teen got me my first job. The only reason I had one at all was because most people couldn't do a very convincing job of it. Now even my mom, a person who struggles to open her email, can do a better photoshop than me.

And your grandkids will be better at certain things than you too. That's just what progress in tech is. Without it, we'd still be riding horses and writing letters with ink. Sure that accelerated fraud and misuse too, but let's not pretend anyone would want to give up the all the benefits these things brought to save a few gullible people who would probably still be scammed eventually.

Re: South Korea police arrest man for posting AI photo of runaway wolf

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Post by maplethorpe »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #166
maplethorpe wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> AI has merely slightly lowered the bar I guess we're not going to agree on just how far that bar has fallen. Learning Photoshop as a teen got me my first job. The only reason I had one at all was because most people couldn't do a very convincing job of it. Now even my mom, a person who struggles to open her email, can do a better photoshop than me.

And your grandkids will be better at certain things than you too. That's just what progress in tech is. Without it, we'd still be riding horses and writing letters with ink. Sure that accelerated fraud and misuse too, but let's not pretend anyone would want to give up the all the benefits these things brought to save a few gullible people who would probably still be scammed eventually.

> That's just what progress in tech is. Without it, we'd still be riding horses and writing letters with ink. Sure that accelerated fraud and misuse too

The original argument was about whether these tools had accelerated fraud and misuse, or whether not much had changed because people could just do the same thing with photoshop before. You and others were playing down the impact of AI. It sounds like we now both agree they have accelerated fraud and misuse.

> And your grandkids will be better at certain things than you too. That's just what progress in tech is.

You're misunderstanding my argument. I was pointing out that a large shift has happened that has enabled deception where it was not possible before, not lamenting the loss of a job that I don't do anymore. I have nothing against the progress of technology. But I do think we should think carefully about how we implement it.

Re: South Korea police arrest man for posting AI photo of runaway wolf

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Post by thunderfork »

zugi wrote: post #142
GuB-42 wrote: post #86

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Guns primary purpose is to kill. The primary purpose of genAI (image generation goes beyond the scope of LLMs) is not to mislead, they are used successfully by millions of people for purposes that are in no way nefarious. It includes valuable contributions to fields like medicine. Like most important advances like plastics, nuclear power, diesel engines, synthetic fertilizers, computers and the internet, good and bad…

Since you opted to engage in this off-topic discussion, I'll just point out that the overwhelmingly vast majority of the one billion or so guns currently on the planet have never been used to kill anyone. It's statistically far more accurate to say their primary purpose is to defend, with killing much further down on the list. > Guns primary purpose is to kill

A shield's purpose is to defend, or a bulletproof vest, or...

Try using a gun for that and it ain't gonna work. You might say that a gun's purpose is to deter? But the only way it can defend is by producing lethal force, so the defense can only be a potential secondary effect.

Re: South Korea police arrest man for posting AI photo of runaway wolf

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Post by zugi »

TwoNineFive wrote: post #157
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #150

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I can't decide how I feel about this. The thing is, there's basically no reason to create this photo other than to mislead the authorities. It's purposefully blurry and not aesthetically pleasing. I cannot come up with any plausible artistic intent. This could have happened without AI. Imagine if the police were trying to catch a serial killer, and I posted on Twitter that I saw him in a small town in Idaho or wherev…

I like this reply. It's nuanced. This guy didn't post that picture to be helpful. He did it to troll, and trolling is cruelty, and defending cruelty is immoral.

Ture but it starts off with basically argument from ignorance (or lack of imagination):

> there's basically no reason to create this photo other than to mislead the authorities

There are many other "for fun" possibilities: impress his friends, impress internet followers, impress a girl, play around with AI...

They've charged him with "disrupting government work by deception." It will be interesting to see whether that South Korean law requires proof of intent or just proof of the consequences. If he directed to authorities, he's in trouble, but if he posted it anywhere else it likely qualifies as free speech.

Re: South Korea police arrest man for posting AI photo of runaway wolf

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

zugi wrote: post #169
TwoNineFive wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like this reply. It's nuanced. This guy didn't post that picture to be helpful. He did it to troll, and trolling is cruelty, and defending cruelty is immoral.

Ture but it starts off with basically argument from ignorance (or lack of imagination): > there's basically no reason to create this photo other than to mislead the authorities There are many other "for fun" possibilities: impress his friends, impress internet followers, impress a girl, play around with AI... They've charged him with "disrupting government work by deception." It will be interesting to see whether tha…

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