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Re: Another Day Has Come

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Post by graeme »

jmbwell wrote: post #80
Robdel12 wrote: post #15

> “When we work on making our devices accessible by the blind, I don’t consider the bloody ROI.” I just have to call out how much this impacted my mom’s life. She’s 100% blind and has access because of her iPhone and iPad. Yes she learned JAWSs and literally took classes to do it. Every single windows update has made it so she’d have to retake this class. The iOS updates a rocky but she isn’t literally hamstrung. My…

I struggle not to have a cynical take these days. Of course he cared about the ROI. The ROI is access to an underserved market, a halo effect, a new community of adherents, a new reason for customers to cross the moat into the ecosystem… a modest investment with a durable long term return in multiple categories. I appreciate that it’s a win-win for Apple and for its customers, and I firmly believe that accessibility…

You're arguing that the action had some positive effects and therefore it was ROI positive. That doesn't remotely follow.

And most companies did NOT make the choice to be as accessible as Apple, which rebuts your theory that this was done only for the ROI.

Effectively you're so cynical that there's nothing Tim Cook could say or do that would convince you he was ever acting sincerely. It is comfortable to blame and rage but it is hardly good analysis.

Re: Another Day Has Come

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

jshaqaw wrote: post #72

Cook was an able steward of Apple. Under his leadership the hardware side continued to iteratively improve nicely. Apple Silicon is good stuff. I am firmly embedded in the entire Apple ecosystem and have no reason to leave. I do wish Apple used some of its massive cash hoard and market power to do better in software. The iPad remains my favorite form factor to use in lots of my day but Apple never invested in killer…

> Rather, I could tell that there was just no reason to use it day to day because there wasn't enough software optimized for it.

I think you can get rid of the "because there wasn't enough software optimized for it" part.

It's simply a product without a defining use case, and most people do not want to live life literally behind a screen with giant goggles strapped to their face. I think VR/AR goggles may certainly have a place in some time-limited uses like gaming, but this idea that it would be "the next big computing platform" is just bunk. Even if it had a limitless supply of the best software ever made, I challenge anyone to say why people would actually want to use it for extended periods.

Re: Another Day Has Come

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Post by SanjayMehta »

jmbwell wrote: post #80
Robdel12 wrote: post #15

> “When we work on making our devices accessible by the blind, I don’t consider the bloody ROI.” I just have to call out how much this impacted my mom’s life. She’s 100% blind and has access because of her iPhone and iPad. Yes she learned JAWSs and literally took classes to do it. Every single windows update has made it so she’d have to retake this class. The iOS updates a rocky but she isn’t literally hamstrung. My…

I struggle not to have a cynical take these days. Of course he cared about the ROI. The ROI is access to an underserved market, a halo effect, a new community of adherents, a new reason for customers to cross the moat into the ecosystem… a modest investment with a durable long term return in multiple categories. I appreciate that it’s a win-win for Apple and for its customers, and I firmly believe that accessibility…

He told the shareholder entity to get out of AAPL stock if they cared so much about ROI. That doesn't sound insincere.

I'm looking for a recording of that shareholder meeting, to see if he looked and sounded insincere at that time but YouTube is insisting on showing the latest news.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2014/03/07/why-tim...

Re: Another Day Has Come

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Post by torton »

jshaqaw wrote: post #72

Cook was an able steward of Apple. Under his leadership the hardware side continued to iteratively improve nicely. Apple Silicon is good stuff. I am firmly embedded in the entire Apple ecosystem and have no reason to leave. I do wish Apple used some of its massive cash hoard and market power to do better in software. The iPad remains my favorite form factor to use in lots of my day but Apple never invested in killer…

iPad is the best consumption device in existence. Reading, video, casual games, it handles all without breaking a sweat. And as speech recognition and translation into intent using LLMs and other tools continues to improve, the keyboard will become less critical and so will be the shortage of screen real estate.

I'm excited about the future of the tablet form factors.

Re: Another Day Has Come

#165

Post by reagan83 »

hardlianotion wrote: post #23

That is a generous assessment of Tim Cook’s reign at Apple and especially of his character. I found it a real pleasure to read.

This guy has also been generous, and incredibly wrong, about other leaders too. Go look at his glazing posts of someone throughout Q3/Q4 of 2024, especially on Nov 3rd.

Re: Another Day Has Come

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Post by simplyluke »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #162
jshaqaw wrote: post #72

Cook was an able steward of Apple. Under his leadership the hardware side continued to iteratively improve nicely. Apple Silicon is good stuff. I am firmly embedded in the entire Apple ecosystem and have no reason to leave. I do wish Apple used some of its massive cash hoard and market power to do better in software. The iPad remains my favorite form factor to use in lots of my day but Apple never invested in killer…

> Rather, I could tell that there was just no reason to use it day to day because there wasn't enough software optimized for it. I think you can get rid of the "because there wasn't enough software optimized for it" part. It's simply a product without a defining use case, and most people do not want to live life literally behind a screen with giant goggles strapped to their face. I think VR/AR goggles may certainly h…

Yes, just like spreadsheets and email have been the ultimate killers of many startups run by smart people; the modern smartphone, laptop, and to a lesser extent tablet, have been the killer of many cool hardware ideas.

After a ~decade of very serious investment from multiple huge corporations, there's still not a compelling use case for VR goggles that's not achievable for the vast majority of people with either a laptop or their iphone.

Look around on any public transit ride anywhere in the world, we already live in the metaverse. It's just small glass rectangles + headphones instead of headsets because that's a better form factor for most people.

Re: Another Day Has Come

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Post by rrgok »

rdiddly wrote: post #121

As an outsider I still can't believe anybody gets this emotional about Apple.

When I read these posts, my mind always pictures a teenage girl fawning over here crush. It just feel immature, childish and overly dramatic.

Re: Another Day Has Come

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Post by [deleted] »

reagan83 wrote: post #165
hardlianotion wrote: post #23

That is a generous assessment of Tim Cook’s reign at Apple and especially of his character. I found it a real pleasure to read.

This guy has also been generous, and incredibly wrong, about other leaders too. Go look at his glazing posts of someone throughout Q3/Q4 of 2024, especially on Nov 3rd.

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Re: Another Day Has Come

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Post by jcelerier »

ClawsOnPaws wrote: post #147
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> MacOS VoiceOver is quite a disaster I am curious as to why (definitely not arguing, but I’m not blind, and only use it for testing). I write (Apple) apps to be accessible. I would be grateful for guidance in making them as useful as possible.

It is just random bugs. Switching punctuation schemes. The terminal doesn't read very well, VoiceOver loves to say "not responding" in Safari and locks up, live regions don't always read correctly, quick nav (basically automatically holding down the voiceover modifier so you can more quickly use navigate through the screen) adds random delay to each key press, it's just lots and lots and lots of small issues like thi…

> VoiceOver loves to say "not responding" in Safari and locks up,

I wonder, what's the correct solution for this ? Because so many apps I use including browser are definitely "not responding" multiple times per day for various reasons (full ram, internet stall, etc.)

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