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Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed

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Re: Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed

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Post by sailfast »

azangru wrote: post #138
gcanyon wrote: post #16

There are two separate issues here: 1. will this work (will the UK stop smoking) 2. is this something the UK government should be doing Setting aside 1 and looking at 2, it seems silly to me to point out that other things (alcohol) that cause problems and are not being restricted. You take the wins where you find them, and the government isn't a magical force that can impose its will on the people arbitrarily. This i…

> 1. will this work (will the UK stop smoking) What mechanisms do you foresee for it to fail? If stores stop selling cigarettes, the UK will have no other choice but to stop smoking them. I wonder what will come to replace them though. People have a peculiar tendency of forming addictive habits. Regarding question 2, personally, I am uncomfortable with the idea of a nanny state.

Is weed legal in the UK? Do people still smoke it?

This might play right into the hands of bootleggers and gangs but also into the Swedish / American nicotine pouch industry which is basically marketing straight at kids.

Also - vapes. Most folks don’t smoke cigarettes anymore. How does this control vaping?

Re: Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed

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Post by GuinansEyebrows »

subjectsigma wrote: post #50

Natural consequence of socialized medicine. If I’m paying for your healthcare then I (and by extension the state) get a say in basically every aspect of your life. Time to ban alcohol, marijuana, Tylenol, fatty foods, sugar, candles, campfires, fireworks, food coloring, bicycles, playgrounds, cars, cell phones, and anything else that might be harmful

> Natural consequence of socialized medicine.

improved health outcomes?

Re: Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed

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Post by alsetmusic »

FL33TW00D wrote: post #141
alsetmusic wrote: post #33

As a former smoker (who quit for seven years and regrets taking it up again), and as a present-day vape user, wtf. This is a clear restriction on liberty. It may be stupid that I do it. Just like many stupid decisions (junk food included), it ought to be my right to decide how to live. Cut off production so cigarettes are no longer made or imported. Don't block me from them while letting others have them. (Not in UK)…

In a country with a national health system, why should you be able to internalize the benefit of smoking whilst externalizing the cost?

> In a country with a national health system

I live in the USA where we are treated like crap by our system of government. I'd agree with you if we had national healthcare.

Re: Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed

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Post by tialaramex »

jpfromlondon wrote: post #122
LtWorf wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In sweden it's forbidden to smoke at public transport stops. Nobody cares though so you often have to choose between cancer or getting soaked.

in the UK you cannot smoke on public transport or inside buildings, and this is strictly adhered to.

In fact one of the most important fire disasters in England, the Kings Cross fire started because nicotine addicts used to light up on their way out of the tube (which had already prohibited smoking, it's kinda crazy to imagine people in the 1970s used to smoke on the fucking underground railway, deep under the ground where you are unavoidably breathing the same air as everybody else)

Somebody probably drops a spent match, it's still smouldering and it drops inside the escalator where it finds plenty of fuel and begins a fire. From there you mostly just need bad luck - yes the staff could be better trained, but even when they do summon professionals the firefighters don't arrive in time to tackle it while it's still small, the then-unknown trench effect allows the hot gases to pool and initiate flash over suddenly, a bunch of people die.

Re: Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

voidUpdate wrote: post #119
alsetmusic wrote: post #33

As a former smoker (who quit for seven years and regrets taking it up again), and as a present-day vape user, wtf. This is a clear restriction on liberty. It may be stupid that I do it. Just like many stupid decisions (junk food included), it ought to be my right to decide how to live. Cut off production so cigarettes are no longer made or imported. Don't block me from them while letting others have them. (Not in UK)…

> "it ought to be my right to decide how to live" "Why is the government stopping me from murdering people and stealing from them? it's my right to decide how I live!"

I think that a government should be able to ban murdering people but that it would very sketchy for them to ban it for some people and not others.

One of the most important foundations of democracy is that the law applies to everyone equally. If smoking is banned, it should be banned for everyone, not banned for some people and allowed for a privileged class who got here first.

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Post by AlexandrB »

xyzal wrote: post #88
subjectsigma wrote: post #50

Natural consequence of socialized medicine. If I’m paying for your healthcare then I (and by extension the state) get a say in basically every aspect of your life. Time to ban alcohol, marijuana, Tylenol, fatty foods, sugar, candles, campfires, fireworks, food coloring, bicycles, playgrounds, cars, cell phones, and anything else that might be harmful

Enjoy setting up a GoFundMe if you ever get cancer.

The other natural consequence of socialized medicine is rationing. In Canada the waiting time for treatment is often months or years[1]. That GoFundMe might give you a higher survival rate.

[1] https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/article/more-than-23000-canadi...

Re: Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed

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Post by jollyllama »

xienze wrote: post #58
neogodless wrote: post #37

You can kind of tell when people think about only themselves or the community when they present arguments for things like smoking and vaccination. "I don't want to be controlled" is a perfectly valid argument, and I prefer humans can make choices for themselves and have reasonable autonomy when it does not have a negative affect on others . Vaccination and smoking affects people around you. Drinking does too - in cer…

> I prefer humans can make choices for themselves and have reasonable autonomy when it does not have a negative affect on others. How far do you want to take this? Your choice of diet may have a negative effect on others by way of having to pay for additional medical care.

You're not going far enough. We need to mandate exercise.

Re: Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed

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Post by oompydoompy74 »

People have been smoking tobacco for 12,000 years. How about nanny states fuck off and let people do what they want with their body. I would be happy for regulation of additives that tobacco companies adulterate their products with, but I should be able to smoke any plant I want.

Re: Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed

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Post by Noumenon72 »

slibhb wrote: post #153
FL33TW00D wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a country with a national health system, why should you be able to internalize the benefit of smoking whilst externalizing the cost?

You could use this logic to ban unhealthy foods, or restrict people from eating too much.

Or to resist ever passing a national health system.
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