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Israel escalates attacks on medics in Lebanon with deadly 'quadruple tap'

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For those unfamiliar with the "Dahiya Doctrine"[0] this is exactly that: [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine

> The logic is to cause difficulties for the civilian population so much that they will then turn against the militants The beatings will continue until morale improves!

Hm, that rather sounds like terrorism

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post #105

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> Israel does not have the right to exist as a state in chronic violation of international law Cool, now enforce it. Oh? You can't? "International law" is just a bunch of words some people wrote down? Okay, thanks for letting me know.

All laws are "just a bunch of words some people wrote down". So what's your point?

"International law" is just shorthand. If you read about it, you'll see how it can work, and the proponents are not as dumb as you seem to think

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From the beginning, the founders of the Zionist movement were completely on board with the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous Palestinians from their lands to establish the Israeli state.

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Imagine having access to information about thousands of years of human history, with all its big migrations, the ebbs and flows of civilizations, religions and empires, and still actually thinking one people in particular have some natural claim to a stretch of land.

What if instead we respected state sovereignty and international law for the betterment of all instead of continually stirring up shit to benefit of a few powerful figures?

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Hezbollah is the main political party in Lebanon. Anything can be related to the main political party of a country. It's like saying you can legally kill Israeli medics because they are "related to Likud". In any case, killing medics is a violation of the Hague and Geneva conventions and the internal law. If this story is hard for you to take seriously, there's thousands more stories, videos and witnessings of war cr…

Just worth clearing the point about Hezbollah in that context. Hezbollah is not the “main” political party [1] It is a major part of the government but not the main. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_L... If they were the main party then it was Lebanon who attacked Israel following the war with Iran and not Hezbollah. Lebanon is very pragmatic already and they actually have an army which i…

My bad, should have put "one of the main political parties". Good correction, thank you.

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post #74

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Nobody says this about any Islamic country

Yep, and this is the obvious dishonesty of the people who single out Israel. It’s one country with a Jewish culture, where non-Jewish people also prosper in large numbers. But there are MANY officially Islamic nations where there is a state religion, where laws and religion are mixed together, and where violence/oppression of minorities is normalized and welcomed. Not a single pro-Gaza or anti-Israel activist will ac…

> Not a single pro-Gaza or anti-Israel activist will acknowledge this

Go easy on the Kool-Aid.

It's the opposite; those things are not talked about because they are universally acknowledged by anyone except the groups themselves as bad.

The problem with Israel is that you have a huge number of people who are not even Israeli gleefully supporting a genocide, either overtly or by doing everything in their power to silence anyone calling it out. This is a stark contrast: the only people actively supporting the oppression of minorities in Syria or Saudi Arabia are those carrying it out. There are no large groups of powerful people solely comprised of Americans in the US or Germans in Germany who do their best to silence criticism of Saudi Arabia. I'm sure you'll be able to find a few PR firms that Saudi paid, or a few people with business interests there who did such things, but it's completely incomparable to the Zionist lobby and the active carrying out of its interests.

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What is Israel's reason for all this? Can someone explain their side of the argument, as it is?

What is Russia's side of the argument? What is China's side of the argument? What is USA's side of the argument? Bibi's reasons are not the same of the ultra ortodox, neither the same of the ultra zionists, neither the same of regular joes. (Bibi wants to avoid going to trial, the orthodox believe god promised them "all of israel" (which includes some Lebanon, Syria, Jordan), the zionists are your run of the mill naz…

The way I understand the dispute, and please correct me if I'm wrong, is that Ukraine was formerly part of the Soviet Union.

Russia feels aggrieved that in recent years Ukraine has been trying to become part of NATO, a move that would further diminish Russia's ability to project power in the region.

NATO has already expanded into former Warsaw pact countries, and even former Soviet Republics. Russia feels they need to do something about Ukraine before Ukraine becomes one of them.

Western leaders have already broken the promise made during the cold war that NATO would not expand "one inch eastward" beyond a reunified Germany.

Please, this is not a defense by me of Russia's attack of Ukraine. I'm just describing Russia's side of the "argument" as I understand it.

Once again, correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't understand Israel's side of the argument, if you could explain to me.

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The first time i saw this concept of the 'double-tap' - to target first-responders to the scene of an earlier strike - was in the movie,' The Hurt Locker' - where it was employed by some ISIS-tier insurgents using a VBIED disguised as an ambulance. Presumably this was intended to show the level of depravity of the terrorists. First time actually seeing this employed in the real world was last year when Israel did a d…

> I wonder if the terrorists learnt this technique from the US coalition or vice-versa. Who are "the terrorists"?

I was referring to the terrorists in Iraq who were depicted in 'The Hurt locker'

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post #96

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if you are american, cleaning your house involves going head to head with the zionist lobby which works for israel's interests. so i'm afraid the matter of israel can't be avoided here.

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> Isn't it precisely the anti-zionist sentiment you eschew that resulted in the Oct 7 attacks by Hammas

Bringing this up in 2026 when it's abundantly clear there's zero chance the IDF had no idea about the planning of Oct 7, and didn't just let it happen, means there's no point having a conversation. When it's so well known that Israel is the one who have propped up Hamas.

> In an interview with Politico in 2023, former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said that "In the last 15 years, Israel did everything to downgrade the Palestinian Authority and to boost Hamas." He continued saying "Gaza was on the brink of collapse because they had no resources, they had no money, and the PA refused to give Hamas any money. Bibi saved them. Bibi made a deal with Qatar and they started to move millions and millions of dollars to Gaza."

> “Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas … This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.” - Benjamin Netanyahu

> Gershon Hacohen, former commander of the 7th Armored Brigade and an associate of Benjamin Netanyahu, said in 2019 in an interview: “Netanyahu’s strategy is to prevent the option of two states, so he is turning Hamas into his closest partner. Openly Hamas is an enemy. Covertly, it’s an ally.”

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