Well I'm going to keep using GrapheneOS and whatever version(s) of Linux refuse to comply.
Makes me even more glad that I've already transitioned off Windows.
US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification
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Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification
#162I hope people realize that most of these bills are being introduced in blue states by Democrats.
Republicans may not like porn, but they put the onus where it belongs, on the operator, not on the OS.
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#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
The article's analysis doesn't appear to be accurate. From the bill: (a) Requirements.—An operating system provider, with respect to any operating system of such provider, shall carry out the following: (1) Require any user of the operating system to provide the date of birth of the user in order to— (A) set up an account on the operating system; and (B) use the operating system. (2) If the relevant user of the opera…
Verification is explicitly required. (d) Regulations.— (1) IN GENERAL.—Not later than 180 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Commission shall promulgate, under section 553 of title 5, United States Code, regulations to carry out this section, including regulations relating to the following: (A) How an operating system provider can— (i) verify the date of birth of a parent or legal guardian describe…
Fair point. Leaving the nature of verification open ended is not good and should be part of the legislation.
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#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
>This is scary as hell. "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist." If it looks like a conspiracy, it's probably one.
It's not even a conspiracy at this point, Meta was proven to be lobbying hard for this via small proxy companies.
And why? What's in it for Meta?
[Edit: Never mind, others have explained elsewhere in the discussion. It's the lawsuits Facebook is losing for addicting kids. So rather than, you know, stopping doing that, they want to instead legally force us to alter every OS on the planet. Disgusting.]
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#165Do we know who is funding this? is this one of these things where Meta doesn't want the responsibility for this, so they are pushing to have the OS have the responsibility or something like that?
It is literally just Meta. https://www.gadgetreview.com/reddit-user-uncovers-who-is-beh... https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1rshc1f/i_traced_2_b... https://tboteproject.com/
I was relieved to hear it was an emotionless mega-corporation catalyzing this, and not a sudden competence of evil bureaucracies in the USA and Europe.
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#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not even a conspiracy at this point, Meta was proven to be lobbying hard for this via small proxy companies.
And why? What's in it for Meta? [Edit: Never mind, others have explained elsewhere in the discussion. It's the lawsuits Facebook is losing for addicting kids. So rather than, you know, stopping doing that , they want to instead legally force us to alter every OS on the planet. Disgusting.]
Just answering with a possibility here, but they could be seeking freedom from liability for failure to moderate content or ensuring their service is "not harmful". If it's only for consenting adults, and every adult can be pinned down with an identity, whatever happens can have the blame assigned away from meta.
edit: I took too long to write this :)
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#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
Identify devices, not people. Distinguishing between child-locked and unlocked devices is something any website should be able to do easily. Adult-only should be a config setting. Vendors shouldn't sell unlocked devices to kids. Then it's up to parents take sure their kids only have locked devices. (Or not, if they're okay with it.)
What for? I use family link for my kids devices. It works good enough. Everything else seems way too intrusive. Apple is horrible in this regard. Their solutions never really work. A joint venture for an (optional) cross-platform family app would be more than enough. This, plus a (voluntary) content rating that's offered via an API (could even be simple meta data on a webpage). Done.
the answer, as always, is always a protocol.
the major players need to allow me to elect one of them as my family manager, and control permissions across ecosystems, from my management portal. i should be able to freely swap apple, google, microsoft, facebook, or a startup as my management and permissions tool.
instead I have a disparate management account and portal for every service on the planet. roblox, fortnite, facebook all want to appear to "make it easy" as if they hold the delusional belief that their management portal is the only one I have to manage. then add a spouse that also wants to change or tinker a setting.
if any law is going to get passed: it should be that any company over a certain size, who adds parental controls, needs to expose them externally to 3rd party management software.
Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification
#168I hope people realize that most of these bills are being introduced in blue states by Democrats. Republicans may not like porn, but they put the onus where it belongs, on the operator, not on the OS.
> A bill introduced by Representative Josh Gottheimer in the House on April 13
Josh Gottheimer is indeed a Democrat.
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#169Politicians will do any draconian measure to help kids except try and improve the lives of their parents so that they can actually dedicate time to parenting. Making it slightly harder to access the internet fixes nothing. What if instead of having the largest prison population in the world our government supported communities that make raising good children possible? Our society needs to lose this urge to diagnose e…
well, and this bill literally only makes you prove age to ... set up the device.
how are we in 2026 and phones dont have guest mode or "i handed it to my kid mode"
apple's guided access is a terrible 1% solution to the problem. in one click i should be able to put my phone into some kind of locked down mode that exposes only what is allowed, starting with nothing unless whitelisted, with multiple profiles.
in the same sense, all the streaming services having their own separate kids profiles, instead of the streaming device having a single kids mode that exposes only the kids mode content from each app makes kids mode useless when a kid can just change the app, or gets stick into a single provider and i have to go help them switch.
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#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am continuously amazed by HN's ability to engage in apple pedestalism and ignoring everything else that goes against it. They've already been pushing age verification out in several countries.
What pedestal did I put Apple on by highlighting past behavior? Oh right I didn't. You're just inferring incorrectly. Another HN specialty. Other countries are not the US, btw. There are groups here ready to challenge such a move. Continually amazed at HN ignorance of geography.
To both you and GP: Consider that you're not just stuck in HN, you are part of HN :)