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Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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Post by ajross »

Teever wrote: post #55
ElProlactin wrote: post #27

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I think it's less about restocking and repositioning air defenses. The expensive weapons systems the US and its allies are running short on can't be replenished in weeks or even months. I think this was more about buying time to prepare for a ground war and probably to try to come up with some semblance of a strategy. It also served as a useful way for Trump to throw Vance under the bus. If the negotiations were seri…

As I understand it Iran requested that Vance conduct the negotiations.[0] The speculation is that they did so in order to tarnish his image in the American people by attaching his name and face to the conflict which is something he appears to have been desperate to avoid. If this is the case it seems like an extremely effective way to kneecap the eventual successor to a very unhealthy 79 year old man who may die in o…

It's frustrating how genuinely effective Iran's management of the information war has been. This, the Lego things, the front-running of TACO moments. They understand the White House decision-making process better than the White House does[1].

And let's be clear: that's very bad. Iran is a bad actor. Iran does bad things and an empowered Iran is a disaster for the region. Yet Iran is able to keep goading Trump into making everything worse.

[1] Because obviously the WH doesn't have a clue what's in the president's head. He announced a blockade this morning, seemingly, literally because he read it in some pundit article.

Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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Post by Protostome »

phs318u wrote: post #132
Protostome wrote: post #112

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> If all parties decide to lay down their weapons there would be peace tomorrow. Which is why there will never be peace - tomorrow or any other day - because Israel wants everyone else to disarm, excluding themselves. How else are they going to keep expanding their settlements and keep the Palestinians in increasingly fragmented and shrinking bantustans?

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Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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Post by queenkjuul »

Protostome wrote: post #134
queenkjuul wrote: post #122

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You trust the trump administration over Al Jazeera? Seriously? Get your head checked

Well, I didn't see anyone from Israel agreeing to a cease fire with Lebanon. did you?

I've never seen Israel respect a ceasefire, but this isn't my point: the Trump administration has been caught lying literally thousands of times, you genuinely believe they're more trustworthy than Al Jazeera?

Because if you genuinely do, your brain is straight up broken

Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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Post by queenkjuul »

ndiddy wrote: post #135
Protostome wrote: post #114

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> Vance said the cease fire doesn't include Lebanon, in his own voice CBS has reported that the US originally agreed that the ceasefire included Lebanon but changed its position following a phone call between Trump and Netanyahu. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lebanon-israel-ceasefire-talks-... The New York Times has reported that the US had already seen and signed off on the text in Pakistani Prime Minister Sharif's s…

Well you see Al Jazeera is a scary Islamist sounding name, so clearly they are only capable of lying

GP literally believes Arabs can't tell the truth

Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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Post by megamike »

The US is wasting time and resources in overseas conflicts, National security should be built on domestic strength, specifically by securing our power grid and reducing global oil dependence. We have the technology, tools, solar, wind, advanced battery storage, nuclear power and electric vehicles to make this happen. We have the wrong people in place to make this happen.

Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

Protostome wrote: post #162
phs318u wrote: post #132

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> If all parties decide to lay down their weapons there would be peace tomorrow. Which is why there will never be peace - tomorrow or any other day - because Israel wants everyone else to disarm, excluding themselves. How else are they going to keep expanding their settlements and keep the Palestinians in increasingly fragmented and shrinking bantustans?

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And the neighbouring states want the terrorist state of Israel to disarm and stop expanding and occupying territories.

Why is Israel not doing that, if they want peace so much ?

Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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Post by bawolff »

bigyabai wrote: post #160
YZF wrote: post #72

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Russia is in no position to support anyone. See their support of their friend Assad where they actually had military presence. They'll provide intelligence and targeting info like they've been doing. China doesn't seem that interested to help the regime. They'll get their oil from any regime. They'll sell them stuff but I don't see them paying the salaries of the IRGC. There are not 50 vessels passing per day and als…

> Russia [will] provide intelligence > China [will] sell them stuff Being able to import advanced munitions and coordinate them with satellite intelligence is basically all Iran wants/needs. They're not interested in hiring Chinese mercenaries, sustaining a surface fleet or keeping planes in the sky - they need leverage, and their allies are giving it to them. The support being offered is serious business, and I'm su…

Will china sell them advanced munitions in a significant number? So far its been mostly dual use materials, and maybe some manpads if you believe rumours.

China has a tendency to play both sides when it comes to the middle east, so its a bit of an open question to what extent they are willing to support Iran if it starts to affect their relationship with other middle eastern countries.

And of course "sell" is an important word here - is that good enough for iran or do they need free support given their economic sutuation.

So to be clear, its not nothing, but i'm still a bit unconvinced that either of thrm are willing to help Iran enough to actually save it.

Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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Post by scoofy »

megamike wrote: post #153

What China Just Learned From the Iran War: Beijing watched America bomb Iran and drew its own conclusions about red lines, deterrence, and Taiwan. The lessons are not the ones Washington wants China to learn: A blockade of Taiwan would hurt the global economy more than Iran’s blockade of the Strait of Hormuz. https://www.theatlantic.com/national-security/2026/04/china-...

Why do articles like this get written that pretend that governments are dumb?

Iran knew what an oil disruption would do, that’s why they did it.

China knows what a semiconductor blockade would do. That’s why they’ve done a dozen practice runs.

Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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Post by Protostome »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #166
Protostome wrote: post #162

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And the neighbouring states want the terrorist state of Israel to disarm and stop expanding and occupying territories. Why is Israel not doing that, if they want peace so much ?

There's nothing Israelis want more than give up their military. but when countries like Iran vow to "wipe israel off the map" and Hamas states in its covenant to annhilate all jews, what sane country would give up its army?

Second, Israel does not expand. On the contrary - Israel returned the Sinai Desert which is a territory x3 times its size back to Egypt for peace.

Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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Post by megamike »

The Trump administration’s account of an incident on Saturday involving two U.S. Navy destroyers near the Strait of Hormuz appeared to be undercut Sunday as Iranian state media released footage contradicting claims made by the Department of Defense. On Saturday, U.S. Central Command claimed that two U.S. Navy destroyers had successfully “transited the Strait of Hormuz” and began operations to clear the waterway of sea mines placed by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. President Donald Trump repeated the claim in a social media post, while a U.S. official also said destroyers had not received a threat from the IRGC, per Axios' Barak Ravid. Tehran refuted the Trump administration’s claim, however, with a report from Bloomberg suggesting that the two destroyers were “forced to turn back” after receiving threats from the IRGC, and that the destroyers had not passed through the strait.
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