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Re: Molotov cocktail is hurled at home of Sam Altman

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Post by pixel_popping »

classified wrote: post #152
pixel_popping wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think this is possible yet, because many people refuse to think AI would be eventually better than us at practically anything (at least anything virtual), they keep talking about what's "current" while I think it's completely irrelevant for that discussion, people need to assume extreme intelligence and orchestration tools (and robots) will be there, worldwide, it's a *fact*, not just a maybe.

Your "fact" is pure vaporware and hallucination.

Let's talk about it again in 5 years, but 1-2 years from now, at the very least, coding will be over in the sense that the best models will do it better than the best (or the 99.99%). I don't think I'm hallucinating no, when my own work went from coding+managing+bunch of other stuff to just orchestrating and my output is just insanely higher and I literally have a bunch of friends that went from coding 8h a day to just "pretending to code" and just using a bunch of agents and get paid the same salary for working 30min a day, that's real, not an hallucination.

Re: Molotov cocktail is hurled at home of Sam Altman

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Post by bloody-crow »

wak90 wrote: post #137
layer8 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I interpret it as an expression of disgust. Similar to how people will stop reading and throw away a good book when they learn the author is a morally reprehensible person.

Like, I wouldn't spit the food out. But I would be disgusted. Someone told me they planned their vacation with an llm and I couldn't help but express disdain for this friend of mine. Why are we outsourcing creativity and research and interest in discovery to an llm?

Really don't get this take. I really hate vacation planning and would outsource this part in a heartbeat. My partner does this for me currently and she seems enjoy it quite a bit, but if she wasn't, the LLM-generated plans I've tried out of curiosity were equally as good.

Re: Molotov cocktail is hurled at home of Sam Altman

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Post by classified »

pixel_popping wrote: post #161
classified wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your "fact" is pure vaporware and hallucination.

Let's talk about it again in 5 years, but 1-2 years from now, at the very least, coding will be over in the sense that the best models will do it better than the best (or the 99.99%). I don't think I'm hallucinating no, when my own work went from coding+managing+bunch of other stuff to just orchestrating and my output is just insanely higher and I literally have a bunch of friends that went from coding 8h a day to ju…

> in 5 years

That's literally the same argument that the blockchain gurus made, and each following year it was still 5 years in the future. I'm getting strong Real Soon Now™ vibes.

Re: Molotov cocktail is hurled at home of Sam Altman

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Post by pixel_popping »

classified wrote: post #163
pixel_popping wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's talk about it again in 5 years, but 1-2 years from now, at the very least, coding will be over in the sense that the best models will do it better than the best (or the 99.99%). I don't think I'm hallucinating no, when my own work went from coding+managing+bunch of other stuff to just orchestrating and my output is just insanely higher and I literally have a bunch of friends that went from coding 8h a day to ju…

> in 5 years That's literally the same argument that the blockchain gurus made, and each following year it was still 5 years in the future. I'm getting strong Real Soon Now™ vibes.

common, that's very different, that's something current with practical use-cases that are already being implemented across all companies, I don't even know why we compare this with blockchain, blockchain is just some fancy resilient DB with proofs in the end.

Re: Molotov cocktail is hurled at home of Sam Altman

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Post by threecheese »

pixel_popping wrote: post #91
therobots927 wrote: post #60

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1. Americans need a job to get healthcare 2. Robots take away jobs from Americans and the proceeds to go the owner (investor) class 3. Americans no longer have healthcare Understand?

I understand (I'm not from the US), however, wouldn't healthcare in the US would get drastically cheaper (even eventually free?) if hospitals/clinics were composed of humanoids instead of humans?

This is definitely a potential future state, but not one I could imagine happening soon. Given that the robots which are currently deployed do not benefit people directly (and even the indirect benefit of lower costs or better investment returns appear to be captured by the upper tiers of the economy), we have no confidence that they would deployed to benefit anyone but their owners.

More likely near-term states are less rosy, given intelligence takes off.

Re: Molotov cocktail is hurled at home of Sam Altman

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Post by SilentM68 »

whimblepop wrote: post #100
SilentM68 wrote: post #88

Hmm, that's troubling but predictable. The idea that AI will bring an age of abundance may be true, but not in the short term. Companies are letting people go, and AI will be blamed for that, whether true or not. For decades the public perception that most Tech Bros have prioritized profits over the wellbeing of the little guy is well established, in my view, in some cases well deserved with no accountability. It's l…

> It's looking like AI will generate a modern version of the early 1800s Luddite Rebellion where British textile workers destroyed machines that displaced jobs, prioritizing factory owners' profits over workers. They targeted technology and industrialists. It's worth remembering that the way that ended was extremely bloody, particularly for the Luddites themselves. There were a handful of extreme participants, there…

Greed drives most of the current crop of Tech Bros.

I once had the chance to be a Bro, far richer than any of the current ones, thanks to the still secretive and anonymous "original-sn-adjacent cryptographic collective". Things, however, did not work out in my favor thanks to other nefarious third-party actors. So, I know where from I speak.

Any outcome is in the hands of the Tech Bros but by the looks of it, greed drives their every action, so things are not looking good!

:(

Re: Molotov cocktail is hurled at home of Sam Altman

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

lbarrow wrote: post #20
MontyCarloHall wrote: post #12

I don't think most people in tech are quite aware of the level of visceral AI hatred amongst non-techies. I've personally witnessed the worst Thanksgiving dinnertable fight I've ever seen (after someone revealed that their recipe was AI-generated, a couple people literally spat out the food they were enjoying and threw their plates in the trash), and a divorce (a very solid marriage between two people who were once b…

Spitting your food out because the AI generated the recipe is so clearly irrational that I chuckled a bit on reading that

Really? I can think of a few reasons I wouldn't trust AI-generated recipes.

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Post by bloody-crow »

Kon5ole wrote: post #97
MontyCarloHall wrote: post #12

I don't think most people in tech are quite aware of the level of visceral AI hatred amongst non-techies. I've personally witnessed the worst Thanksgiving dinnertable fight I've ever seen (after someone revealed that their recipe was AI-generated, a couple people literally spat out the food they were enjoying and threw their plates in the trash), and a divorce (a very solid marriage between two people who were once b…

The remarkable part of your anecdote is the behavior. Seems to me some humans nowadays are less tolerant of any difference in opinion, AI is just the current reason to pick a fight. Wonder why that is, and if we'll grow out of it peacefully.

Nowadays? It's always been the case, the only thing that changed is the subject.

Re: Molotov cocktail is hurled at home of Sam Altman

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

strongpigeon wrote: post #36

It is a bit scary how people seem to genuinely be OK with violence (see this reddit thread [0]). Is just me or does it feel like the overall "temperature" has gone up. [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1shugf8/firebomb_t...

He switched to supporting Trump after Trump repeatedly joked about someone breaking into a San Fransisco home to attack the owners with a hammer.

So the temperature has been high for a while and he's on board with it.

Re: Molotov cocktail is hurled at home of Sam Altman

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Post by whimblepop »

metalliqaz wrote: post #78
happytoexplain wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is very strong anti-AI sentiment among "techies" too. It's just not absolute or generalized (AI is a huge umbrella term).

You might call me a "techie" and I both use AI and have very strong anti-AI sentiment. I don't think this is a contradiction, because I believe while the technology itself is not bad, the way that people use it definitely is. People trust AI outputs in ways they should not. They don't understand its sycophantic design and succumb to AI psychosis. They deploy it in antisocial ways, for war, or spam, or scams. They use…

> I both use AI and have very strong anti-AI sentiment.

Me, too. The AI hype machine involves some really bad ideas, the amount of money being poured into "AI" right now distorts everything, public understanding of how these tools work is low, and a lot of contemporary uses both by corporations and governments are irresponsible, dangerous, and likely to produce or reproduce harmful biases and reduce the accountability of humans for crucial decisions and outcomes.

At the same time, it's useful for me at work, and I'm curious about it. I sometimes enjoy using it. It lets me do things I didn't have time for before. It eliminates some procrastination problems for me. I think its use in computing is also likely to be increasingly mandatory for the near-to-moderate term, so it's probably good for me to get used to using it and thinking about it and looking for new useful things it can do for me.

And my own experiences in using AI are part of what drive my anti-AI sentiment as well! I see it do completely insane and utterly stupid things pretty much every day, both in my personal life and in my professional life. I have a visceral awareness of its unreliability because I use it frequently.

I should hope that as hackers we can muster some understanding and respect both for LLM users and for people with hard "anti-AI" stances. Even if you're "pro-AI" to the core (whatever that means), it's worth understanding the most serious and well-considered arguments of critics of LLMs and the contemporary "AI" race. You might even find, as someone who uses and enjoys using LLMs, that you agree with many of them.

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