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Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by joncrane »

fragmede wrote: post #137
dweekly wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GPT 5.4 is the surly physics PhD post-doc who slowly and angrily sits in a basement to write brilliant, undocumented, uncommented code that encapsulates a breakthrough algorithm. Opus 4.6 is the L5 new hire SWE keen to prove their chops and quickly turn out totally reasonable code with putatively defensible reasons for doing it that way (that are sometimes tragically wrong) and then catch an after-work yoga class wit…

> and then catch an after-work yoga class with you. That's cute, but do you mean something concrete with this, aka are there some non-coding prompting you use it for that you're referring to with that or is it simply a throwaway line about L5 SWEs (at a FAANG). (FWIW, I find myself using ChatGPT for non-coding prompting for some reason, like random questions like if oil is fungible and not Claude, for some reason.)

I think the point they are trying to make is the golden retriever vibe/energy you get from Claude gives "after work yoga."

Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by Throaway199999 »

sonofhans wrote: post #136
MattGaiser wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What has the tech industry ever resisted on moral or reputational grounds?

This is sarcastically-stated but an excellent point, and an honest answer will come up with a vanishingly small list. We geeks may think we care about Important Things, but our industry cares for nothing but money and power — morality is a hindrance to the accumulation of those.

llm made this post?

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Post by burnte »

mrdependable wrote: post #107

It's interesting seeing all the ChatGPT users in this thread, knowing what we know about OpenAI. Either they don't care about what OpenAI does, don't know their reputation, or feel like their use is too insignificant to matter.

If Sam Altman told me what time it was I'd check my watch and probably still not believe him.

Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by burnte »

MattGaiser wrote: post #113
mrdependable wrote: post #107

It's interesting seeing all the ChatGPT users in this thread, knowing what we know about OpenAI. Either they don't care about what OpenAI does, don't know their reputation, or feel like their use is too insignificant to matter.

What has the tech industry ever resisted on moral or reputational grounds?

Maybe it's time to start.

Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by kakacik »

randomNumber7 wrote: post #150
mootothemax wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what it’s worth, I cancelled my ChatGPT subscription, and every time I try debugging a Linux system issue, I feel sad that Claude is sooooooo confidently bad at it. Claude is noticeably poor for my use case on this particular issue. That said, I imagine I’m not alone in refusing to continue paying OpenAI. We’re in for a wild ride.

Do you know game theory? If you look at it through this perspective this doesn't sound like a good strategy. Basically the classical prisoner dilemma. The other devs with less moral can then outperform you. It could be a valid strategy if you can increase your crediblity with this relinquishment.

Life is more than just empty status games and money hoarding at (almost) all cost. In fact, a good life lived well (TM) is anything but that.

But I write this on mostly US forum full of faangs and similar so i dont expect strong agreement.

Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by jmull »

rs_rs_rs_rs_rs wrote: post #126
somenameforme wrote: post #121

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I assume in any sort of thread on a topic like this there is going to be inorganic activity. These companies are all fighting rather hard to try to gain marketshare, potentially worth $trillions, with a product fully capable of producing endless reasonably compelling content to populate an account, a website, or any other basic proof of identity one might ever want. It's probably never been the case that plurality of…

Yeah yeah yeah, everyone's a bot expect you with all the right opinions...

I don’t know why you dismiss it. There is plenty of astroturfing here, bots and otherwise.

I believe the rule around here is to not assume everyone who disagrees with you or has opinions you don’t understand is a shill. Perhaps there’s a bit of that in the post you replied to, but to me seems mostly about mourning the loss of quality conversations online.

Gotta say, I agree. Not that things were ever great, but it’s really in the crapper now.

Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

Asyne wrote: post #77
antirez wrote: post #34

Very good move. In my experience, for system programming at least, GPT 5.4 xhigh is vastly superior to Claude Opus 4.6 max effort. I ran many brutal tests, including reconstructing for QEMU the SCSI controller (not longer accessible) of a SVSY UNIX of the early 90s used in a 386. Side by side, always re-mirroring the source trees each time one did a breakthrough in the implementation. Well, GPT 5.4 single handed did…

+1 to this, I've found GPT/Codex models consistently stronger in engineering tasks (such as debugging complex, cross-systems issues, concurrency problems, etc). I use both OpenAI and Anthropic models, though for different purposes, what surprises me is how underrated GPT still feels (or, alternatively, how overhyped Anthropic models can be) given how capable it is in these scenarios. There also seems to be relatively…

I use codex for cleaning after cloude and it always finds so many bugs, some of them quite obvious.

Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by bluegatty »

sassymuffinz wrote: post #145
bluegatty wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't like calling a posture 'ignorant' , but I think that's what we have here. I don't mean that as an insult. It's likely you didn't learn how to use the tool properly, and I'd suggest 'trying again' because not using AI soon will be tantamount to digging holes with shovels instead of using construction equipment. Yes, we still need our 'core skill's but, we're not going to be able to live without the leverage of…

Like I said I still use Copilot as needed, I just don't trust Claude to go off on its own and generate a mountain of technical debt that I can't 100% trust. To use your own analogy, there's plenty of carpenters still around for when someone needs something doing properly and bespoke, even though we can all go to Ikea, or any other flat pack furniture company, to get wobbly furniture cheaply at any time. I'd rather be…

You're offering to deliver parcels by horse - thinking that somehow your 'delivering is better because it's more natural' and that your customers will appreciate it, over the 'smog' that the cars create.

Or in other words - 'non existent'.

It is arrogant and luddite to suggest that 'using AI is not doing it properly' or that anyone will care.

They care that it's done well - that's it.

FYI, the code that AI produces is probably better than what you produce - at least a functional level.

'Artisanility' is worthless in 'code' - there are no 'winding staircases' for us to custom build, as a master carpenter would.

Where you can continue to 'write code by hand' is for very arcane, things, but even then you're still going to have to use AI for a lot of things in support of that.

So if you want to get into compiler design - sure.

But still - without mastery of AI, you'll be left behind.

At least with horses, there's a naturalist component, with 'code' - nobody cares at all. There's zero interest in it, there's not 'organic' angle to sell.

Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by scrollop »

SunshineTheCat wrote: post #116
antirez wrote: post #34

Very good move. In my experience, for system programming at least, GPT 5.4 xhigh is vastly superior to Claude Opus 4.6 max effort. I ran many brutal tests, including reconstructing for QEMU the SCSI controller (not longer accessible) of a SVSY UNIX of the early 90s used in a 386. Side by side, always re-mirroring the source trees each time one did a breakthrough in the implementation. Well, GPT 5.4 single handed did…

1000%. I have been running claude's work through codex for about a week now and it's insane the number of mistakes it catches. Not really sure why I've been doing this, just interesting to watch I guess. Not to mention a billion times more usage than you get with claude, dollar for dollar.

It's widely reported that opus has been greatly reduced for a number of weeks since Mythos was released internally

Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by jemmyw »

kakacik wrote: post #165
randomNumber7 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you know game theory? If you look at it through this perspective this doesn't sound like a good strategy. Basically the classical prisoner dilemma. The other devs with less moral can then outperform you. It could be a valid strategy if you can increase your crediblity with this relinquishment.

Life is more than just empty status games and money hoarding at (almost) all cost. In fact, a good life lived well (TM) is anything but that. But I write this on mostly US forum full of faangs and similar so i dont expect strong agreement.

A lot of folks here will be startup types though, and while there is the idea that you'll make it big, I think day to day people work at startups for the satisfaction.
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