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Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Re: Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Post by bigbadfeline »

goalieca wrote: post #154
causal wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, we come up with a serious plan for a post-labor future. In the USA you can't even get healthcare without a job. Meanwhile tech companies are dumping billions into the race to make humans unemployable. So yeah, until people feel like their leaders can be trusted to have their back, they're going to be anxious.

Post-labor? There’s a huge gap between slop and Star Trek that we have to bridge first.

> a huge gap between slop and Star Trek that we have to bridge first

Fixing politics is first otherwise you'll never get to anything like Star Trek, not even close, not even externally resembling it.

Re: Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Post by Teever »

keeda wrote: post #153
justonepost2 wrote: post #4

We are, in the best case scenario, minting a lost generation in real time. This will become increasingly clear over the next 2 years. Meanwhile, simonw and his retiree friends are having the "time of their lives", so that's good I guess :)

My take is "simonw and his retiree friends" spend a lot of their time exploring this disruptive new technology and sharing their learnings (for free!) so that everybody can leverage it too... and yet so many people see that as something bad rather than an opportunity to learn. Radical changes bring radical opportunities too, so "having the time of their lives" is not necessarily incompatible with "adapting to profoun…

But everyone can't leverage it too.

The technique of feeding money into the slot-machine that generates tokens so that it can maybe generate what you want and you get the results at scale if you have enough money paradigm just isn't accessible to many people. In this context Simonw and Karpathy are starting to look more and more like degenerate gamblers who admonish everyone else for not joining in, while telling us all that the perks the casino gives them are just fabulous and we're all missing out.

And maybe you'll say "Yeah but things will get cheaper in the future, they're just early adapters who can afford it..." well, will it? And will those people make it to that shining beacon on the hill future? Or will they find themselves out of a job because of the current economic calamity that is unfolding as a result of election of an American Nero who is supported by the ultrawealthy tech oligarchs who are brining this technology into existance?

Do these people actually want to improve the lives of the common people -- or are they more concerned with getting a high score in the form of the amount in their bank account and clout on social media?

Re: Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Post by georgemcbay »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #85
HappyHacker731 wrote: post #47

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> we'd 100% be in a recession A little confused as to how exactly a handful of unprofitable companies are keeping us out of a recession? GDP is not the economy. We have been in a "recession" for a while now, not that that word even really means anything anymore.

How old are you? I hate to pull rank on people, but if you're an American who wasn't yet on the job market in 2008, you've never experienced a sustained recession and don't understand the comparison you're drawing. A recession feels much worse than "things cost too much and the world kind of sucks", and workers are affected as much as businesses and CEOs are.

I'm an American who was on the job market in both 2008 and during the dotcom implosion and I'm still working in software development.

IMO we effectively are in a recession already (and have been for a while) as far as the real job market goes, the AI boom is only stopping it from showing up in stock market valuations, which is great if you're heavily invested in the stock market, but pretty meaningless if you're a laborer without assets, with debt, and trying to find a job.

Things can certainly get worse overall than they are now (and due to bad leadership, this seems inevitable), but when they do the delta between now and when we are in an official recession will be far greater felt by people who are currently being propped up by stock and home values than it will for the many people who are already struggling.

Re: Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Post by array_key_first »

bko wrote: post #67

Reminds me of the quote: No one goes there anymore, it's too crowded. These types of surveys are pretty much useless. Just go by people's revealed preferences. They're using the technology. They don't have to. I'm sure most teachers and schools would prefer them not to. Why do they have to use it? Have standards gotten higher in schools such that they will be left behind if they don't? Is there peer pressure to use i…

It's a race to the bottom. In SV we're seeing this perception (delusion?) of a Brave New World in which there are two peoples: the permeant underclass of serfs, and the elite.

Everyone is clawing and crab-bucketing to escape, what they believe to be, the inevitable suffering of laborers in a post-labor economy.

So, if this guy I hate is using AI and AI is making the world worse then guess what - I'm using AI too. Because I'm not gonna be left behind, right?

In fact, I'm going use AI more. I'm the most AI-ist out of all the AI-believers. I'm practically and AI apostle.

Because, when our new overlords come, I intend to be spared. Not like you losers. I, for one, welcome our new overlords.

That's what they're thinking.

Re: Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Post by Henchman21 »

keeda wrote: post #153
justonepost2 wrote: post #4

We are, in the best case scenario, minting a lost generation in real time. This will become increasingly clear over the next 2 years. Meanwhile, simonw and his retiree friends are having the "time of their lives", so that's good I guess :)

My take is "simonw and his retiree friends" spend a lot of their time exploring this disruptive new technology and sharing their learnings (for free!) so that everybody can leverage it too... and yet so many people see that as something bad rather than an opportunity to learn. Radical changes bring radical opportunities too, so "having the time of their lives" is not necessarily incompatible with "adapting to profoun…

> Consider that the traits that make them optimistic about this technology are exactly the traits required to navigate this Brave New World.

Consider that they're closer to death than birth and are unlikely to survive into the shit-hole world they're creating. Not passing on those traits to the next generation is a massive failure. These assholes aren't disrupting their own lives, just the poor slobs who haven't made it yet.

Re: Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Post by palmotea »

bko wrote: post #142
palmotea wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you understood it, because you seemed to read past the key findings to make some tired, tired points about "revealed preferences." > The percentage of respondents ages 14 to 29 who said they felt hopeful about A.I. declined sharply since last year, down to 18 percent from 27. Young adults’ excitement about artificial intelligence dropped, too, and nearly a third of respondents indicated that the technol…

Why did AI make them feel angry? Or was that beyond the scope of reporting? Seems like a pretty basic thing to ask. > A young adult can totally abstain from AI and be negatively affected by all of that. And those are the kinds of things that could make people angry at the technology. How would a young be negatively affected by abstinence from AI? Why is this implied? Give me a probable explanation for this. The artic…

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Re: Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Post by ryandrake »

Teever wrote: post #155
causal wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, we come up with a serious plan for a post-labor future. In the USA you can't even get healthcare without a job. Meanwhile tech companies are dumping billions into the race to make humans unemployable. So yeah, until people feel like their leaders can be trusted to have their back, they're going to be anxious.

I honestly think that we'll start to see a movement where people diagnosed with terminal illnesses like a brain tumour that leave them functional for a few weeks or months before dying within a year will start kamikazing against the ultra wealthy. People with nothing to lose will feel empowered by taking everything from the people who they feel are responsible for taking everything from them. There's a chance this ki…

This is why totalitarian surveillance and increased police power is also part of the billionaires' agenda: When 99.99% of us are economically irrelevant, they'll need to more and more insulate themselves from the "Nothing To Lose" people.

Re: Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Post by cindyllm »

Henchman21 wrote: post #165
keeda wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My take is "simonw and his retiree friends" spend a lot of their time exploring this disruptive new technology and sharing their learnings (for free!) so that everybody can leverage it too... and yet so many people see that as something bad rather than an opportunity to learn. Radical changes bring radical opportunities too, so "having the time of their lives" is not necessarily incompatible with "adapting to profoun…

> Consider that the traits that make them optimistic about this technology are exactly the traits required to navigate this Brave New World. Consider that they're closer to death than birth and are unlikely to survive into the shit-hole world they're creating. Not passing on those traits to the next generation is a massive failure. These assholes aren't disrupting their own lives , just the poor slobs who haven't mad…

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Re: Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Post by pibaker »

angelgonzales wrote: post #65
wredcoll wrote: post #45

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> pressures of high taxes This is something I never see mentioned so I'm curious what brought it up. Are you personally paying a lot of taxes or so much that you can't afford other things or is this a thing peers talk about? Is this a state or federal thing?

I totally am paying a massive amount of capital gains taxes! I’m also saving up for a house which means every dollar I don’t contribute to a down payment becomes principal and interest on a mortgage which equals even more money out of my pocket. For instance if I pay $37k in capital gains one year (which I did) and if my principal on a $500k house is $200k at 6% and $1500 monthly payments I’ll have to pay $33k in int…

Dear lord, what percentage of the Gen Z (the population mentioned in the article) do you think pay capital gain taxes???

Re: Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Post by senordevnyc »

palmotea wrote: post #166
bko wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why did AI make them feel angry? Or was that beyond the scope of reporting? Seems like a pretty basic thing to ask. > A young adult can totally abstain from AI and be negatively affected by all of that. And those are the kinds of things that could make people angry at the technology. How would a young be negatively affected by abstinence from AI? Why is this implied? Give me a probable explanation for this. The artic…

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You’re being ridiculously rude instead of just answering the question.
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