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Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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Post by nixon_why69 »

RickJWagner wrote: post #151
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No they haven't. You've likely been misled by seeing still images of their hand in that position, whereas if you see the video, then it's clearly nothing like a Nazi salute. Meanwhile, the video of Musk makes it incredibly clear that it's a Nazi salute and he has not denied that as far as I know. His politics also seem to align very much with white supremacy and the far right.

Here’s a denial from Musk. Plus the Anti-Defamation League clearing Musk. Plus a Democrat congressman clearing Musk. All this from a left-leaning publication. The ADL alone should give reasonable people reason to give Musk benefit of the doubt. https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2025-01-21/musk-says-...

The ADL is much more of a far right Israeli lobby these days than anything else. Of course they support the administration.

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Post by nixon_why69 »

adjejmxbdjdn wrote: post #77
amelius wrote: post #57

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No. For all practical purposes, Chinese cars are perfectly fine for most consumers. Since you cannot beat China on manufacturing costs, this war is already lost. Musk or no Musk.

There is no reason Chinese EVs couldn’t have been beaten on cost. The labor/environmental costs of car manufacturing is relatively low and more than made up in the cost of shipping cars. One example of this was the number of foreign car manufacturers that were relocating manufacturing to the NAFTA region to serve the U.S. car market even before the tariff nonsense. The area where China might have an edge is batteries…

> Chinese battery companies are largely not vertically integrated with the automakers

BYD was a battery company first and expanded into cars

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Post by lenkite »

jm4 wrote: post #34
MPSimmons wrote: post #30

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Yes, Elon's trajectory has been absolutely unbelievable since 2019 or so. Talk about a guy who cratered his whole reputation. It's a shame.

What changed is he took the mask off. He was always the sleaze that he is today, but a lot of us were fooled into believing he wanted to do something good.

> What changed is he took the mask off.

I think long-term drug use changed his brain and turned him bad.

Re: Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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Post by chongli »

Hikikomori wrote: post #157
chongli wrote: post #152

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Woks aren't the only shape of cookware with a non-flat bottom and/or a non-ferrous construction. There are clay pots with many different shapes [1], Korean stone bowls [2], Indian copper cookware [3], Moroccan tagines [4], and many others. [1] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=clay+pot+cooking&t=osx&ia=images&i... [2] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=korean+stone+bowl&t=osx&ia=images&... [3] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=indian+copper+…

My caveman traditional cooking requires a fire on the floor, or I do bbq and bury my food with coals. Modern cities are bad because I can't do that in my apartment.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by eudamoniac »

Hikikomori wrote: post #157
chongli wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Woks aren't the only shape of cookware with a non-flat bottom and/or a non-ferrous construction. There are clay pots with many different shapes [1], Korean stone bowls [2], Indian copper cookware [3], Moroccan tagines [4], and many others. [1] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=clay+pot+cooking&t=osx&ia=images&i... [2] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=korean+stone+bowl&t=osx&ia=images&... [3] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=indian+copper+…

My caveman traditional cooking requires a fire on the floor, or I do bbq and bury my food with coals. Modern cities are bad because I can't do that in my apartment.

Modern cities are bad because people like yourself agitate for legislation to infringe on my personal home life that has essentially zero externalities. We don't need to make cooking a political issue; it's such a stupid thing to create a wedge about. Just leave the gas stove owners alone for God's sake. Natural gas tax already exists for this purpose and some choose to pay the premium.

Re: Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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Post by breve »

RickJWagner wrote: post #151
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No they haven't. You've likely been misled by seeing still images of their hand in that position, whereas if you see the video, then it's clearly nothing like a Nazi salute. Meanwhile, the video of Musk makes it incredibly clear that it's a Nazi salute and he has not denied that as far as I know. His politics also seem to align very much with white supremacy and the far right.

Here’s a denial from Musk. Plus the Anti-Defamation League clearing Musk. Plus a Democrat congressman clearing Musk. All this from a left-leaning publication. The ADL alone should give reasonable people reason to give Musk benefit of the doubt. https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2025-01-21/musk-says-...

> Here’s a denial from Musk.

Here's video of Musk performing his fascist salutes. He did it deliberately, he did it with gusto, he grunted with the effort, and he did it twice just to make sure:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smQNNo2a9xc

There's no denying it.

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Post by Hikikomori »

eudamoniac wrote: post #165
Hikikomori wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My caveman traditional cooking requires a fire on the floor, or I do bbq and bury my food with coals. Modern cities are bad because I can't do that in my apartment.

Modern cities are bad because people like yourself agitate for legislation to infringe on my personal home life that has essentially zero externalities. We don't need to make cooking a political issue; it's such a stupid thing to create a wedge about. Just leave the gas stove owners alone for God's sake. Natural gas tax already exists for this purpose and some choose to pay the premium.

I wasn't making that argument. But portable gas stoves exist, I use one for my wok needs.

Re: Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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Post by sdf3221a »

decimalenough wrote: post #15

The figures quoted here are old, since EV sales have gotten a massive boost from spiking oil prices. The actual figures aren't out yet but anecdotal evidence at least in Australia suggests sales in March (across all brands, not just Tesla) doubled from February. That said, for Tesla this is only a bandaid, since they have absolutely nothing in the consumer pipeline beyond the current increasingly uncompetitive offeri…

Most of the Tesla discourse is quite jaded I think - especially from people who aren't regular car users or with a US-centric political bent.

I suspect a lot of this dip is simply because the Juniper series for Model Y was just announced, with specific 2026 improvements and most savvy buyers are just withholding and you'll see a spike in 2026 numbers up.

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Post by bulbar »

spwa4 wrote: post #97
bulbar wrote: post #91

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Buying a Tesla was already considered edgy in some demographics, but doing that famous fascist gesture because you feel powerful definitely crossed a line as far as Europeans are concerned.

DOGing half the US population didn't help. I guess he wasn't content firing most of twitter, then begging half of them to come back, only to then lament that twitter had lost 80% of it's value in this processs wasn't enough. He had to do the same to the entire US ... and it's still working.

DOGE was super crazy and corruption at its finest, but that was US internal politics of which many in Europe do not care to such a degree.

Effectively endorsing Hitler is on a different level for many Europeans.

Even the right most extremists/fascists parties don't do that in the open, as far as I know (in Germany that would even be illegal and a party doing that systematically could get banned).

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Post by girvo »

eudamoniac wrote: post #165
Hikikomori wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My caveman traditional cooking requires a fire on the floor, or I do bbq and bury my food with coals. Modern cities are bad because I can't do that in my apartment.

Modern cities are bad because people like yourself agitate for legislation to infringe on my personal home life that has essentially zero externalities. We don't need to make cooking a political issue; it's such a stupid thing to create a wedge about. Just leave the gas stove owners alone for God's sake. Natural gas tax already exists for this purpose and some choose to pay the premium.

No one made that argument here. If you’re okay with the trade offs to air quality, go for it. I used to be, then I switched and realised induction really just is better at home
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