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The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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>How many people died under the totalitarian regimes that preceded them? These oppressive regimes did not start in a vacuum. You're proving my point. Political violence just leads to a cycle of more political violence and/or totalitarianism. The Chinese Communists, if you recall, were violently put down by the Nationalists in the civil war. Starting political violence to stop the "fascists", just condemns your societ…

Violence is coming whether you like it or not. People are already struggling and food prices will only go up this year given the buffoonery with antagonizing Iran. If we're going to have violence either way, I sure know where I'd prefer it be directed. I leave it as an exercise to the student to make up their mind on where it should be. I'm sure the answers are Legion.

> Violence is coming whether you like it or not.

What? No, it isn't inevitable that the US descends into sectarian violence. What a silly notion. There remains more that unites us than divides us.

If the US does descend into violence, the blame can be squarely assigned to the propagandists (typically but not uniformly supporting the right wing) for twisting reality and making people feel their lives are under constant attack. How many Baby Boomer and older Gen X relations in your life are afraid to go to the mall or fear an apartment building being built in their local neighborhood for perceived increases to crime rates (versus standard NIMBYism of higher traffic issues)? Anecdotally, the FOX and ONAN and NEWSMAX views in my world declare every summer will lead to a race war. None of the "mainstream" media views think twice about that before being threatened by the federal government.

Strange.

Re: The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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More than one or two, if memory serves correct. How many people died under the totalitarian regimes that preceded them? These oppressive regimes did not start in a vacuum.

>How many people died under the totalitarian regimes that preceded them? These oppressive regimes did not start in a vacuum. You're proving my point. Political violence just leads to a cycle of more political violence and/or totalitarianism. The Chinese Communists, if you recall, were violently put down by the Nationalists in the civil war. Starting political violence to stop the "fascists", just condemns your societ…

We are definitely more in agreement than disagreement.

Yes, the communist regimes were absolutely awful - both from nuts-and-bolts logistics failures as well as what was described in an earlier thread here as "prerogative" application of the law.

Re: The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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Non-American here. Letting ICE have anti-drone weapons feels like the step in this escalation. Is no one over there panicking about that or is it seen as a generally better option than regulations?

There's plenty of people panicking, just not the ones in position to affect any change.

It's a fairly commonly-held belief that certain high up individuals want the protests to escalate so that they can point to them as examples of the lawlessness they've been warning about and/or declare martial law. That's just one reason protesters have been trying their utmost to not let things escalate. People are trying to do things "the right way" through legislation as well but that's extremely slow.

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>is that the other side will do it anyway and you end up dead. Preemptive first strike logic[1] aside. This logic doesn't work because political violence never gets out of hand so fast that an entire political movement can be wiped out. On the other hand by starting/advocating for political violence you're almost certainly going to get the descent into sectarian violence before you can wipe out all the "fascists". [1…

> This logic doesn't work because political violence never gets out of hand so fast that an entire political movement can be wiped out Tell that to the German left during the rise of Nazism.

That just leads to the second problem. Do you think a few car bombs would have stopped Nazis in their tracks? Or it would just create even more antipathy towards Jews?

Re: The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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Not how rules work. First they can shoot down your drone. Second they can ban you from ever flying one again. All without any criminal prosection. To prosecute you, it is not willfully and knowingly. It is willfully or knowingly. If you expect there to be ice and put your drone in a spot where it will film them, well you didn't know. But it was willful.

> First they can shoot down your drone. So treat them as disposable. > Second they can ban you from ever flying one again. Thankfully I can purchase them at Costco last I checked. Good luck with that. (TBF don't actually do that as it will 100% be traced to you. The general principle still applies though.) The correct answer here is to relentlessly use drones to film them in such a way that it isn't obvious who is do…

As a general point of information:

The FAA very clearly has jurisdiction to “all navigable airspace” which is broadly defined as “all airspace immediately above ground level”.

Which is to say, there’s no minimum height threshold under which you could fly a drone (outdoors) where the FAA doesn’t have full legal jurisdiction.

You can say you feel it’s overreach, but it’s well established that the courts do not agree.

Having said all of that, I definitely agree that the states have been doing a pretty shit job of asserting their rights across the board.

Of course it isn’t just individual states. Congress as a whole has been happily ceding power to the executive branch for a few decades now - which is largely how we’ve gotten to this point.

Re: The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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Ummmm… I fly drones at 8,000ft for arial mountain shots… drones are surprisingly capable given good wind conditions.

That would be against the law in the US. https://www.faa.gov/uas/recreational_flyers

Only if you’re caught. It’s perfectly fine to put your body and life on the line and go paragliding at those altitudes but the moment you strap a headset on for FPV, it’s “illegal”.

Re: The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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Put it in Sweden[0]. At least you'd have de jure source protection. [0]: https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Källskydd

Yes, but this is in effect since 2023: > Proposed new law could see Swedish media prosecuted for espionage > Swedish media outlets who uncover news which damages Sweden's relations abroad could be charged with spying, if a controversial law gets the go-ahead. https://www.thelocal.se/20171207/new-law-could-see-swedish-m...

Note: de jure, not de facto.

I'm pretty sure most news outlets would cave with the right pressure, with or without any new laws. On top of that is the fact that the department for foreign affairs is the department where the line between ministry and department is the thinest* - I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if, in such a scenario they'd be asked, especially by the US, to put a stop to something, they'd actually put (unofficial, undocumented) pressure on the entity or person in question.

* As opposed to most democracies ministerial rule is highly frowned upon in Sweden, and as a minister you can't issue official decrees that govern how the department itself interpret laws or conduct its business. Instead you (e.g. the parliament) change laws and society act accordingly.

Re: The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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I have yet to see any statement from the conservative perspective giving any rationale whatsoever to justify restrictions on recording police activity in public spaces. or any of the other erosions of civil liberties. I would personally love to understand why this is necessary. The only opinion expressed here seems to be that immigration is such a existential issue that we don't need to bother with due process or any of that other crap, and the the other side is really just as bad.

I remain deeply confused about efforts to ensure that the 'conversative viewpoint' is fairly expressed in forums like the universities, because there really just doesn't seem to be a meaningful conservative viewpoint at all. global warming is actually happening. vaccines save lives. ICE is acting unconstitutionally. these are just facts. if you want to call them into question loud mouthed assertions just aren't sufficient, show up with some kind of actual argument. wanting to step up immigration enforcement is a totally legitimate policy position. claiming that federal agents don't need to obey the constitution kinda isn't really.

Re: The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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But they weren't just "ancient" quirks. They were commitments made to your fellow Americans in smaller states. Commitments that were required to allow the formation of the country at all; and as such should be shown a little more respect than being referred to as ancient quirks. That's not to say that they should be forever set in stone, but we should at least proceed with an honest portrayal of why we're in this sit…

> But they weren't just "ancient" quirks. How else would you describe the way populations grew more places labeled X and not places labeled Y over the course of 250 years? > They were commitments made to your fellow Americans in smaller states. Commitments that were required to allow the formation of the country at all; Is this just a complaint about phrasing, or are you claiming some commitment would be broken? My p…

> If anything is restores state-sovereignty in one narrow scenario, a scenario no signatory ever believed was an intended feature.

The most direct fault leading to that is the massive expansion of the Commerce Clause and the following elevation of every major issue to the federal level. The founders never expected this because the federal government wasn’t even supposed to be able to dictate most intra-state things.

The idea of the Senate makes sense, at least to me. States give up some sovereignty to be in the union, the Senate gives each state equal representation because they’ve each given up the same level of self-governance. The House reflects people equally as members of the union, and the Senate reflects states equally as members of the union.

Without the Senate, small states are giving up way more sovereignty than larger ones. Eg Rhode Island would have practically no sovereignty, they’d just be captives of Texas, California, etc. They don’t have enough people to swing a vote, so no federal party is going to campaign there or listen to what they want.

Making more states dilutes power in the Senate, and I don’t see a clean way to do that. If we allow arbitrary divisions of states, we invoke a race to the bottom where states can just fragment into a million tiny states and chaos ensues. If we enforce a lower population limit then the Senate just reflects the populace and becomes a pointless copy of the House.

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