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Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

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Post by philistine »

dangus wrote: post #152
longislandguido wrote: post #146

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Walmart is selling a HP gaming laptop with 16GB RAM and 512 GB SSD for $699—same price as the Neo. Keep in mind it's not Magic Mac Memory because someone will jump in and tell us that 8GB of Mac memory is clearly superior to 16GB of PC memory because Macs are able to swap and wear down your SSD in the process.

I have pointed out this stat before: Global user base Mac: 100 million (2024) PC gamers: 900 million A lot of Mac enthusiasts seem to scoff at the idea that someone buying a laptop wants it to be able to play some kind of video games. Apple can make the greatest computer in the world but for many customers the fact that it can only run ~5% of games or whatever is a dealbreaker. The Neo can play many games on some lev…

The ability to run without a fan is not a problem; it's a feature. Would you want a fan in your phone?

Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

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Post by rcakebread »

quietsegfault wrote: post #68
oaweoifjwpo wrote: post #64

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If the icons are just hidden and you can't find them in order to use the programs you have running, that's not "just working". That's broken functionality. Windows has solved this with the overflow menu for literally decades.

I have never seen anyone with enough menu bar icons to have them hide, nor have I known anyone who ran into that problem. It’s a bug that should be fixed, but I just don’t think it’s as big of a deal as it’s made out to be.

"nor have I known anyone who ran into that problem"

Why on earth would people tell you that?

Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

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Post by jazzypants »

rafaelmn wrote: post #158
richardlblair wrote: post #50

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This was always my biggest gripe about using a mac, the OS that "just works". I ended up a bunch of commands I had to run and a stack of apps I needed to install for it to feel usable.

You expect someone to ship you an OS personalized to your taste and preferences ?

This should clearly be editable in a GUI somewhere.

Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

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Post by dddddaviddddd »

JSR_FDED wrote: post #136
longislandguido wrote: post #123

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> Frankly, I prefer the mac because there's so little arsing around with drivers All Windows laptops come preinstalled, there's no arsing about with drivers there either. Unless you install the bare OS from scratch. Apple bundles the drivers for their hardware with their OS. Good luck with plugging in anything non-Apple branded or not using standard USB audio or Ethernet CDC and you're 100% having to muck about with…

> you're 100% having to muck about with sketchy kexts Apple has replaced kexts (kernel extensions) with a user-space alternative for many years now

Hence

> that almost certainly will break in the next OS release

My scanner has drivers available for download that date from 2015 with no updates since then.

Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

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Post by UqWBcuFx6NV4r »

lxgr wrote: post #143
al_borland wrote: post #127

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The users who run into issues with menubar space would probably be well served to question if they really need all that stuff. The people with the most stuff up there tend to be the same ones who are always complaining about system slowness or weird issues... because they have 2 dozen utilities running in the background that they don't consider, which are all looking for CPU time or trying to change the default behav…

Ah, got it, I’m holding it wrong. > My goal is genially not to have anything running in the menubar that isn't out of the box from the OS. My goal is to use the apps I want to use, and if they are exclusively menu bar apps, what can I do about that? > The people with the most stuff up there tend to be the same ones who are always complaining about system slowness The cause for system slowness on my mac are too many b…

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Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

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Post by SturgeonsLaw »

philistine wrote: post #161
dangus wrote: post #152

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I have pointed out this stat before: Global user base Mac: 100 million (2024) PC gamers: 900 million A lot of Mac enthusiasts seem to scoff at the idea that someone buying a laptop wants it to be able to play some kind of video games. Apple can make the greatest computer in the world but for many customers the fact that it can only run ~5% of games or whatever is a dealbreaker. The Neo can play many games on some lev…

The ability to run without a fan is not a problem; it's a feature. Would you want a fan in your phone?

It's fine, but it's a design decision with tradeoffs, and gamers are prepared to make different tradeoffs (bigger and noisier are ok if they deliver a big enough performance jump).

Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

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Post by UqWBcuFx6NV4r »

richardlblair wrote: post #145
al_borland wrote: post #127

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The users who run into issues with menubar space would probably be well served to question if they really need all that stuff. The people with the most stuff up there tend to be the same ones who are always complaining about system slowness or weird issues... because they have 2 dozen utilities running in the background that they don't consider, which are all looking for CPU time or trying to change the default behav…

I'm not even talking about app icons. I'm talking about the file manager missing features. Wifi issues going back years and years. Default mice settings that make me want to throw the thing out a window. Seriously, who moves their cursor that slow? The worst window manager I've ever used. I could go on, but it's genuinely pointless. People love their macs like people love their sports teams. No matter what, some peop…

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Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

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Post by biztos »

corlinp wrote: post #151
al_borland wrote: post #127

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The users who run into issues with menubar space would probably be well served to question if they really need all that stuff. The people with the most stuff up there tend to be the same ones who are always complaining about system slowness or weird issues... because they have 2 dozen utilities running in the background that they don't consider, which are all looking for CPU time or trying to change the default behav…

iStat menus (or the new open source "Stats") is a brilliant use of the menu bar, but it can take a lot of space! Then couple ordinary services that add menu bar icons that you don't even ask for (DropBox, Docker, Adobe, etc.) and you can overflow onto the notch quite quickly.

I use iStat Menus and I recently got one of those menu-bar expander utilities. It’s so good I forgot its name already!

Now I just click on the chevron whenever I need to access Tailscale or Postgres or CloudFlare or Creative Cloud Dropbox or Google Dropbox or ……

Really solved the problem for me.

Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

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Post by biztos »

toraway wrote: post #129
bredren wrote: post #60

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This is not an unknown issue at the fruit co. Can anyone speculate on any rational if not good reasons for not solving this problem yet?

Probably the same response I just saw someone reply with in this very thread: "You shouldn't have so many utilities running" It's the go-to Apple user response to anything the OS doesn't support or does poorly: "Why would you want to do that?"

That’s the company response but I’m definitely not the only long-term Apple user whose go-to response is a sympathetic nod followed by a long rant about Tim Cook and his contempt for software engineering.
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