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My Experience as a Rice Farmer

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Re: My Experience as a Rice Farmer

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Post by satvikpendem »

Noumenon72 wrote: post #124
throwaway27448 wrote: post #122

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History certainly does not predate sedentary farming. It seems reasonable to put at around ~8kya. Certainly, some people still live as hunter gatherers. I presume people can deduce I do not refer to them.

I think specifying "recorded history" would remove the confusion. Human history could refer to the history of anatomically modern humans, including before farming.

History is recorded, that's the definition of the word. Prehistory is not recorded which is what the 500 kya to 10 kya refers to.

Re: My Experience as a Rice Farmer

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Post by satvikpendem »

stunseed wrote: post #115
throwaway27448 wrote: post #97

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I don't think it's that deep: Obligatory manual labor destroys the body (and, often, the mind) and what time you have you spend exhausted. Being entirely sedentary remains a choice for us office workers—this is why people exercise and spend time outside. Of course, I would like more flexibility in choosing how much I and where I do my sedentary labor, so I might devote time to, say, gardening. But it's easy to forget…

> But it's easy to forget that humans have spent most of human history trying to escape subsistence farming. Do you define human history as the last ~10k years or last ~100k-500k years? But yes, certainly at least the last 3000 years for most humans have been spent farming to a large degree. But if we are even moderate in estimations of human origins, farming is very recent.

History means the time of recorded events, the 10 kya to present day, they used the word correctly. Anatomically modern humans are prehistory.

Re: My Experience as a Rice Farmer

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Post by satvikpendem »

throwaway27448 wrote: post #128
Noumenon72 wrote: post #124

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I think specifying "recorded history" would remove the confusion. Human history could refer to the history of anatomically modern humans, including before farming.

History is a bit of a confusing word that way; I suppose I can see it can be used in an informal sense to refer to any timeline outside of just historiography, which does tend to refer to a distinct study from archaeology and anthropology. Noted.

You used the word correctly don't worry. Seems like the initial replyer meant prehistory.

Re: My Experience as a Rice Farmer

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Post by satvikpendem »

aledevv wrote: post #117
teruakohatu wrote: post #88

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Don’t forget doing only enough manual labour not to get hurt, killed or develop a chronic condition. You can make a lot of money doing many skilled manual jobs in my country. Trades are highly paid and there is not enough supply. Better money than software development. They often wreck their backs, or develop other chronic conditions. The successful ones stop doing manual work by the time they are in their 40s and mo…

@teruakohatu Some example of manual labor well payed in your country? In Italy, sometime manual labors are more safe than others not manual jobs. This is because often the rules and laws protects still human instead the profits.

You don't have to @ their name here on HN, it doesn't work like Twitter. When you reply to them they'll see it already.

Re: My Experience as a Rice Farmer

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Post by satvikpendem »

esseph wrote: post #127
throwaway27448 wrote: post #105

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> Any labor throughout human history. Sure, but sedentary labor destroys the body through neglect—which is ultimately a choice.

> Sure, but sedentary labor destroys the body through neglect—which is ultimately a choice Huh? It's not clear to me what you're trying to say here.

Exercise is optional, labor in a manual labor job is mandatory

Re: My Experience as a Rice Farmer

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Post by selimthegrim »

teruakohatu wrote: post #88
sdevonoes wrote: post #56

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I’d love to do manual labor as long as: I have a decent house, decent health insurance, can afford decent food/stuff, can afford taking sabbaticals, can afford getting sick and not losing my income, can afford decent education for kids, etc. Unfortunately, many of us are chained to the modern way of life.

Don’t forget doing only enough manual labour not to get hurt, killed or develop a chronic condition. You can make a lot of money doing many skilled manual jobs in my country. Trades are highly paid and there is not enough supply. Better money than software development. They often wreck their backs, or develop other chronic conditions. The successful ones stop doing manual work by the time they are in their 40s and mo…

Is this New Zealand? Don't all the software people migrate to Australia for better wages?

Re: My Experience as a Rice Farmer

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Post by esseph »

throwaway27448 wrote: post #130
esseph wrote: post #127

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> Sure, but sedentary labor destroys the body through neglect—which is ultimately a choice Huh? It's not clear to me what you're trying to say here.

Meaning, you can somewhat opt out of the damage sedentary labor does to the body by exercising and using your body. It is much more difficult to avoid manual labor from damaging the body.

Sure, which is why many white collar workers look down on tradesmen (in the US at least), and tradesmen look down on white collar workers as "bullshit email jobs".

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

satvikpendem wrote: post #165
aledevv wrote: post #117

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@teruakohatu Some example of manual labor well payed in your country? In Italy, sometime manual labors are more safe than others not manual jobs. This is because often the rules and laws protects still human instead the profits.

You don't have to @ their name here on HN, it doesn't work like Twitter. When you reply to them they'll see it already.

Only if they go back through their threads.

Re: My Experience as a Rice Farmer

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Post by satvikpendem »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #169
satvikpendem wrote: post #165

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You don't have to @ their name here on HN, it doesn't work like Twitter. When you reply to them they'll see it already.

Only if they go back through their threads.

Or they use something like https://www.hnreplies.com/ which many do. In any case the @ doesn't work regardless, it does not ping anyone.
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