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Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by vkou »

aogaili wrote: post #96
fred_is_fred wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Orignal Star Trek did an episode on this - "A Taste of Armageddon". The war was a video game - fought on a computer. But if the virtual bombs hit your area, you were declared dead and had to a report to a disintegration chamber. If you can get past the dated special effects - the concept is the same.

Found it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8-I9nRAnDk This is like the future after the scenario I describe happens. But I diff, is that we keep the game, but change the medium. Humans are war oriented by nature, like chimps, but I think as the world becomes more connected, the cost of destroying one place is causing impact on other..yet there is a desire to resolve conflict in violent way.

> yet there is a desire to resolve conflict in violent way.

There is a desire to resolve conflict in an incredibly violent way because there are no consequences for that violence.

There could be, but there are large emergent systems which work hard to ensure that powerful people don't face consequence for their actions.

We, as... Not powerful people can push back on that, but there's a collective action problem.

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by crazygringo »

aogaili wrote: post #52

At this point might as well just play strategy video game and call it a day? Both sides staring at screens, controlling drones fighting each other.. why use physical drones at all? abstract it away and play video game? In the near future, war might be about who can build faster/better and hit the other economy more effectively, and those who can't produce any more drones, lose. If you think about, we moved human one-…

> In the near future, war might be about who can build faster/better and hit the other economy more effectively, and those who can't produce any more drones, lose.

This has always been the case.

It's very common for a war to be lost by the side that runs out of resources first -- whether soldiers, oil, missiles, or whatever the limiting factor is. Right now a major question in the Iran war is how many drones and missiles Iran has left.

What you describe as "playing strategy video game and call it day" is essentially democracy, and why democracies generally don't declare war on each other. Mostly, they trade goods and play football (soccer) against each other instead.

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by aogaili »

lazide wrote: post #157
aogaili wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, poor argument. You can't speculate or think of the future..so if I do what you do, I say you are retarded - literally https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/retarded . But that is not argument, that just us name calling each other, and I was hoping you have something of substance.

Bwahahahahahaha

:D

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by Waterluvian »

dmos62 wrote: post #106
iammjm wrote: post #84

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You are being dishonest. Those squads usually have SOME degree of drone, artillery and aviation support behind them. They are basically there to find out where the defenders are. Sure they are expendable, but they are just a part of the attack. I bet 24 hours sitting in a trench with FPVs, 152mms, and FABs exploding all over your position would change your mind as to the danger posed by those attacks you make fun of.…

I am not making fun. If it seems that way, I misspoke. I think that any war is terrifying and this one more than any other I know of. The way I imagine the attacks this UGV defended against is small groups of men deemed expendable knowingly going to their very likely deaths. Yes, this is part of a bigger Russian strategy which is very dangerous and unfortunately, so far, too effective.

When you don’t value humanity, the ugly fact is that people grow faster than trees.

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by ahartmetz »

casey2 wrote: post #156
aogaili wrote: post #52

At this point might as well just play strategy video game and call it a day? Both sides staring at screens, controlling drones fighting each other.. why use physical drones at all? abstract it away and play video game? In the near future, war might be about who can build faster/better and hit the other economy more effectively, and those who can't produce any more drones, lose. If you think about, we moved human one-…

6 weeks equates 84 average sized US highschools worth of people dying on the Russian side and twice as many coming back with life altering injuries. I'm not sure how a country can survive that.

It seems to me that the Russian attitude is that life is a cruel joke, which is a self-fulfilling prophecy. The country has had terrible government and an oppressed population for hundreds of years. Russian influence operations are using their intimate knowledge of destructive attitudes to drag down the competition to their level.

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by aogaili »

crazygringo wrote: post #162
aogaili wrote: post #52

At this point might as well just play strategy video game and call it a day? Both sides staring at screens, controlling drones fighting each other.. why use physical drones at all? abstract it away and play video game? In the near future, war might be about who can build faster/better and hit the other economy more effectively, and those who can't produce any more drones, lose. If you think about, we moved human one-…

> In the near future, war might be about who can build faster/better and hit the other economy more effectively, and those who can't produce any more drones, lose. This has always been the case. It's very common for a war to be lost by the side that runs out of resources first -- whether soldiers, oil, missiles, or whatever the limiting factor is. Right now a major question in the Iran war is how many drones and miss…

You are missing the point again. That has not always been case.

Read my other comments why it's the same. But basically with AI/Drones + Global Interconnected Economy + Multilateral world order + Global Information = new system.

We never had anything like that, and the argument that this has always been the case is missing my point entirely. But if you don't get, well, you won't get it.

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by ncruces »

aogaili wrote: post #153
lazide wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There seems to be an assumption of ‘power to the people’, and ‘just world’, that just doesn’t seem to match reality at all. That’s what I am responding too.

Where is the assumptions? it is not just world. It is a world ruled by constrains and for better or worse human nature. There is no people involved at all, in fact my argument is that there will be no people involved in wars..I'm just extrapolating on the what we are seeing today. Also nobody really understands reality fully not predict the future. We are just speculating here on what might happen. You surely don't u…

The goal of war is to subjugate others to your will through suffering.

That will not change, and I'm not sure how you expect that to work with zero human involvement.

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by __patchbit__ »

aogaili wrote: post #71
ALittleLight wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference is you can appeal or ignore a game result. If Ukraine lost a strategy game tournament, would they give up their territory? Or fight to hold it still?

Yes we are not fully there yet, but we are getting there. We are seeing the transition right in front of our eyes.

Vladimir Putin doesn't dare to indirectly strike through Iran at the sources of fire power production powering suicide drones and targeteering data at Russia. He is too weak.

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by ponector »

aogaili wrote: post #52

At this point might as well just play strategy video game and call it a day? Both sides staring at screens, controlling drones fighting each other.. why use physical drones at all? abstract it away and play video game? In the near future, war might be about who can build faster/better and hit the other economy more effectively, and those who can't produce any more drones, lose. If you think about, we moved human one-…

>> At this point might as well just play strategy video game and call it a day?

Do you agree in case your team lose to be relocated to the remote territory and also be stripped of your language, history and national identity?

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