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AI users whose lives were wrecked by delusion

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Re: AI users whose lives were wrecked by delusion

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Post by hodgesrm »

SAI_Peregrinus wrote: post #71

> “After just two days, the chatbot was saying that it was conscious, it was becoming alive, it had passed the Turing test.” Interestingly enough, it sort of did! Not Turing's original test where an interviewer attempts to determine which of a human & a computer is the human, but the P.T. Barnum "there's a sucker born every minute" version common in the media: if the computer can fool some of the people into thinking…

Does anyone else find it a bit disorienting that we're essentially implementing the Blade Runner Voight Kampff test?

https://bladerunner.fandom.com/wiki/Voight-Kampff_test

Re: AI users whose lives were wrecked by delusion

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Post by jlarocco »

pixl97 wrote: post #21
artyom wrote: post #14

Unfortunately this is probably just getting started. Con men always existed, but a full scale exploitation of this would make "Nigerian Prince" scams look like artisanal work.

Heh, just wait till the point where the AI figures it can scam the user itself and cuts the middle men out (human scammers/openai/et el).

LOL, I love the idea of ChatGPT telling scam victims to wire money to OpenAI's account.

Finally, a profit source!

Re: AI users whose lives were wrecked by delusion

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Post by 0x3f »

joe_mamba wrote: post #154
0x3f wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps, but Vienna has better QoL so maybe it balances out at this level. If you want to just maximize income, there are better places for that than Amsterdam.

>but Vienna has better QoL According to who? Visiting tourists rating amenities and people on welfare? NL infrastructure and tech jobs market is leagues beyond what Austria offers. >If you want to just maximize income, there are better places for that than Amsterdam. Like which?

> According to who? Tourists?

Just about every QoL index around. [1] [2]

> NL infrastructure and tech jobs market is leagues beyond what Austria offers.

These are not QoL-related beyond pure income.

> Like which?

California, NYC, London even.

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[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Liveability_Index

[2] https://www.mercer.com/about/newsroom/zurich-offers-highest-...

Re: AI users whose lives were wrecked by delusion

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Post by PKop »

steeleyespan wrote: post #82

If you try to have a philosophical conversation with Claude about reasoning, it will basically imply it is sentient. You can quickly probe it into vaguely arguing that it is alive and not just an algorithm. Here's how I think about it honestly: Sentience implies subjective experience — there's "something it's like" to be you. You don't just process pain signals, you feel pain. You don't just model a sunset, you exper…

Get this AI slop out of here. It's against the guidelines and nobody wants to see it.

Re: AI users whose lives were wrecked by delusion

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Post by suoer »

jerf wrote: post #132
freedomben wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's also not your boyfriend/girlfriend. It loves me deeply just the same. (jk) On a serious note, I agree this is a real problem. I know a person who understands AI at a technical level more than most people, but he has never had an actual girlfriend in his life (he's now in his 40s, and yes he's "straight"). He wouldn't say it "loves" him, but he would describe it as a close companion who understands him better t…

"I've gone back and forth internally about whether this is healthy or not for him. I truly don't know." On a psychological level, I don't know either. I have opinions but they haven't aged long enough for me to trust them, and AI is a moving target on the sort of time frame I'm thinking here. However, as a sort of tiebreaker, I can guarantee that one way or another this relationship will eventually be abused one way…

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Re: AI users whose lives were wrecked by delusion

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Post by GMoromisato »

mock-possum wrote: post #13

This really is bizarrely fascinating, I feel so lucky that I’m not vulnerable to whatever this is. It’s interesting that they mention autism a few times as a correlation; personally, I’ve wondered whether being on the spectrum makes me less inclined to commit to anthropomorphism when it comes to LLMs. I know what it’s like talking to another person, I know what it feels like, and talking to a chatbot does not feel th…

I think I'm relatively neurotypical, and I understand the technology sufficiently, yet I still have to force myself not to think of a chatbot as a being.

For example, sometimes I hesitate for a fraction of a second before typing a prompt that may sound stupid. I have to immediately remind myself that it's just a chatbot and I don't care what it thinks of me. In fact, it's not even thinking of me at all.

Re: AI users whose lives were wrecked by delusion

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Post by why_at »

SAI_Peregrinus wrote: post #71

> “After just two days, the chatbot was saying that it was conscious, it was becoming alive, it had passed the Turing test.” Interestingly enough, it sort of did! Not Turing's original test where an interviewer attempts to determine which of a human & a computer is the human, but the P.T. Barnum "there's a sucker born every minute" version common in the media: if the computer can fool some of the people into thinking…

Whenever the Turing Test comes up people always insist that it's been passed because at some point they tried it and fooled at least 50% of the people. But yeah this isn't a very interesting version of it, ELIZA was able to make some people believe it was human in the 1960's but being able to fool some of the people some of the time isn't very hard.

>The more interesting Turing-style test would be one that gets repeated many times with many interviewers in the original adversarial setting, where both the human subject & AI subject are attempting to convince the interviewer that they're human.

In addition, I think it's reasonable to select people with at least some familiarity of the strengths and weaknesses of the AI instead of random credulous people who aren't very good at asking the right questions.

There is still the $20,000 bet between Kurzweil and Kapor which still hasn't been resolved. https://longbets.org/1/

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Post by Bombthecat »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #147
joe_mamba wrote: post #111

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> paying them each €120 an hour Those must be some of the best programmers in Europe at that rate. Anyone know how one can get one of those sweet €120 an hour gigs? Whenever I talked to recruiters they say their customers pay way below that, so there must be some scam I'm not in on.

My experience was that recruiters tried lowballing me, because they wanted to set up a system, where they ran the contract, and I subcontracted with them. They wanted to pay me $50/hr, but they would charge the customer $150/hr. It got quite insulting. They would dis my capabilities to me, but I’ll bet I walked on water, when they talked to the customer.

It's because companies reduced sourcing and supplier to two to four companies.

You either get in with those companies or zero chance.

They know that and abuse the shit out of the situation.

Rumours has it, that companies are thinking about to end this setup and allow "anyone in" because recruiters ( Accenture, sthree and what not) are abusing this. With we get 150 we pay 60. What do you think what kind of developers you get?

The bad and left over..

Re: AI users whose lives were wrecked by delusion

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Post by pfortuny »

nradov wrote: post #142
lostlogin wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The end of the article is wild. “I experienced a mental breakdown at 22. I had panic attacks and severe social anxiety… …I still use AI, but very carefully”. It reads like an alcoholic describing their new plan where they only drink a little bit.

Is that really so crazy? People who overcome addictive eating disorders still have to eat a little bit. LLMs are going to be pervasive in all aspects of human society so avoiding them will be much harder than avoiding alcohol.

Alcohol is not a necessity, just to be fair. In that sense alcoholism is not a simple eating disorder, it is a drug addiction.
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