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Re: How to Keep ICE Agents Out of Your Devices at Airports

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Post by triceratops »

nobody9999 wrote: post #147
triceratops wrote: post #141

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Where's the Tenochtitlan of the 13 colonies? Of course colonists committed genocide against indigenous people everywhere they went. No one's denying that. I'm addressing precisely what you yourself said > there were multiple indigenous political entities both along the Eastern Seaboard They were fragmented and smaller than the Aztec empire. That doesn't make it right to take their land. It does explain why their name…

>They were fragmented and smaller than the Aztec empire. So what? Portugal was smaller than the Aztec Empire too. As was the Netherlands. And England. Should we pooh pooh them as unimportant as well? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cahokia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salish_peoples https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cree https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestral_Puebloans https://en.wi…

You're putting words in my mouth. I don't see the point in continuing this conversation.

Re: How to Keep ICE Agents Out of Your Devices at Airports

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Post by bdangubic »

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #140
bdangubic wrote: post #115

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You drive car or walk everywhere you go? Car is convenience, yes but it is the privacy nightmare (unless you gamble and drive without plates :) )

> unless you gamble and drive without plates New cars are being fitted with cell modems to ping cell towers.

Yea, driving a modern / newer car is just as bad privacy-wise as having a mobile phone. I mentioned plate readers as I was expecting "Don't drive new cars" given the "don't use mobile phone" comment :)

Re: How to Keep ICE Agents Out of Your Devices at Airports

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Post by nobody9999 »

triceratops wrote: post #161
nobody9999 wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>They were fragmented and smaller than the Aztec empire. So what? Portugal was smaller than the Aztec Empire too. As was the Netherlands. And England. Should we pooh pooh them as unimportant as well? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cahokia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salish_peoples https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cree https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestral_Puebloans https://en.wi…

You're putting words in my mouth. I don't see the point in continuing this conversation.

>You're putting words in my mouth.

Are you sure you responded to the right comment?

>don't see the point in continuing this conversation.

Works for me.

Re: How to Keep ICE Agents Out of Your Devices at Airports

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Post by testing22321 »

haspok wrote: post #47
testing22321 wrote: post #40

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I don’t have a phone Sure it’s inconvenient sometimes, but on the whole I’d say my life is better than those I see glued to their phones. This belief is reinforced whenever people ask for my number (dentist, doctor, whatever) The gusto which they invariably reply “OMG I WISH I could get rid of my phone!”

Because only those two extremes exist: you either don't have a phone, or your are glued to it?

Of course not, I said nothing of the sort.

I said I’d prefer to not have a phone than be like people who are glued to their phones. I said nothing about all the people in the middle.

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Post by marssaxman »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #153
marssaxman wrote: post #101

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In your world, then, is it normal to complain about other people's names, and expect them to change what they call themselves to better suit your preference?

Again, wierd. No one is doing that. But for some reason you decide that someone has done something to you, or done anything at all to anyone.

I am sure it sounds bizarre, if you have never encountered it before, but people really do this. A few quick examples - all in English:

https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/comments/a96v93/am...

https://www.reddit.com/r/asklatinamerica/comments/fwp0aj/doe...

https://www.reddit.com/r/asklatinamerica/comments/15zlo42/is...

https://www.reddit.com/r/asklatinamerica/comments/fwp0aj/doe...

Re: How to Keep ICE Agents Out of Your Devices at Airports

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Post by joezydeco »

gib444 wrote: post #157
joezydeco wrote: post #71

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I've done a fair bit of domestic (USA) flying over the last six months and when flights are spontaneously cancelled for weather/staffing/crew timeouts/random apocalyptic actions, a phone has been priceless in getting quickly rebooked and out of the trouble zone. Even if that means cancelling the flight and buying a ticket on a different airline (looking at you, AA) You do not want to spend an hour in the customer ser…

I'm sad we've just accepted that no useful staff at the airport is an acceptable state of affairs. They're full of outsourced agents whose contracts are very specific and don't include things like assisting customers during IRROPS, as I understand it. Or they have their hands tied by the airlines I'd like government intervention now that the free market has failed - there is almost no choice you can make that offers…

There are physical staff at airports, but you can't have 40 agents standing around at each counter waiting for the next disaster to arrive and help with rebooking. So you hire two per counter. But that means when something comes up, everyone is stuck in line for hours to get help face-to-face.

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Post by TheNewsIsHere »

nine_k wrote: post #41

The usual fare: log out, disable biometrics, use long pins and passwords, power off. Prefer a burner device, or clean your device and restore when you arrive. I remember how Google's internal guidelines for travel circa 2011 required to remove any material under NDA from your laptop when traveling to China or Russia; you had to restore it over the VPN after a safe arrival. Funny that now the same precautions apply to…

> I remember how Google's internal guidelines for travel circa 2011 required to remove any material under NDA from your laptop when traveling to China or Russia; you had to restore it over the VPN after a safe arrival.

I made this suggestion when I served on the security team at a major cybersecurity player.

When we had our company-wide annual internal conference it was always in person. This meant that basically everyone, with basically cumulative access to everything, and all our code, would be traveling across a multitude of borders at once. Some of which were less friendly than the US (at that time).

This was rejected as impractical for developers and redundant for everyone else. So I suggested locking the accounts of everyone who was traveling between the time they left and the time they arrived. This would have the side effect of signing them out of our most sensitive systems and removing certain highly confidential data from laptops. This was also rejected as “unnecessary”.

That company now counts a healthy proportion of the Fortune 500 amongst their customer base. I hope things are not so cavalier anymore.

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Post by TheNewsIsHere »

esseph wrote: post #111
g947o wrote: post #107

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> Alaska Airlines kiosks Those don't exist. I guess you haven't traveled with Alaska for a while. https://worldaviationfestival.com/blog/airlines/alaska-airli...

I fly with them all the time. You can print your tickets at the ones that do bag check in where bag drop-off is, or the attendant that checks your ID and takes your bags can print them for you.

I can’t think of a single airline that can’t or won’t print a boarding pass. At least not based in North America.

Re: How to Keep ICE Agents Out of Your Devices at Airports

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Post by TheNewsIsHere »

chasil wrote: post #50

Apple devices allow biometrics to be disabled for unlocking the phone. They are still active for accessing anything in the wallet, however.

You can completely disable biometry if you wish to do so. Apple Pay without biometrics is somewhat annoying.

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Post by gib444 »

joezydeco wrote: post #166
gib444 wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sad we've just accepted that no useful staff at the airport is an acceptable state of affairs. They're full of outsourced agents whose contracts are very specific and don't include things like assisting customers during IRROPS, as I understand it. Or they have their hands tied by the airlines I'd like government intervention now that the free market has failed - there is almost no choice you can make that offers…

There are physical staff at airports, but you can't have 40 agents standing around at each counter waiting for the next disaster to arrive and help with rebooking. So you hire two per counter. But that means when something comes up, everyone is stuck in line for hours to get help face-to-face.

I didn't say there is no staff. I said "useful staff" and then clarified I meant staff empowered to help during IRROPS. But I appreciate this is about the US and most of my experience is in Europe. I guess things aren't so bad in the US?

In my experience in Europe, there are very very few staff who can help, except at major hubs. Even then, if you've not got high status, you won't get much help.

> but you can't have 40 agents standing around at each counter waiting for the next disaster to arrive and help with rebooking

That is the exact excuse they used to reduce the empowered agents to 0

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