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Re: Cloudflare flags archive.today as "C&C/Botnet"; no longer resolves via 1.1.1.2

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Post by dgxyz »

derefr wrote: post #105
dgxyz wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm wondering if Jani is possibly going to walk into the wrong party here and get burned. I did some public archival stuff about a decade ago and it was state sponsored and for the intelligence community. I'm not suggesting this is but it'll be very much of interest to competing intelligence services as it's an information control point. None of those are the sort of people you start pissing off by sticking your dick…

You seem the right person to ask about this: why don’t we see any public web archivers operated by individuals or organizations based in countries that aren’t big fans of aiding or listening to American intelligence?

Well they certainly do exist. However they tend not to even get noticed because the mindset and momentum behind everything is America-centric.

Re: Cloudflare flags archive.today as "C&C/Botnet"; no longer resolves via 1.1.1.2

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Post by surgical_fire »

akerl_ wrote: post #160
surgical_fire wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to use 1.1.1.1. I still had issues. Quad9 behaves exactly as I expect a DNS to work, in the sense that I only remember I use it when the topic of DNS pops up.

Your claim was that 1.1.1.1 was blocking sites. Are you saying now you just had issues with the quality of service? Or do you want to provide more details to substantiate the claim that they were blocking sites?

No, I do not keep any logs from domain name resolution from the DNS service I used from 7+ years ago. If you do, I commend you.

I used the term "blocking" in a loose sense. I have no idea if Cloudflare was failing to resolve certain domains because it is a shitty service, or if it was ordered to block those domain names by its government, or if it was actively not resolving domain names because it thought a good idea to be a sort of arbiter and gatekeeper. I suspect the last option, but it is just speculation.

What I can affirm is that I had issues more than once with domain name resolution when I used 1.1.1.1. After it annoyed me enough I switched to Quad9, and it has been great ever since, which is why I recommend it as a user of their service.

Re: Cloudflare flags archive.today as "C&C/Botnet"; no longer resolves via 1.1.1.2

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Post by akerl_ »

surgical_fire wrote: post #162
akerl_ wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your claim was that 1.1.1.1 was blocking sites. Are you saying now you just had issues with the quality of service? Or do you want to provide more details to substantiate the claim that they were blocking sites?

No, I do not keep any logs from domain name resolution from the DNS service I used from 7+ years ago. If you do, I commend you. I used the term "blocking" in a loose sense. I have no idea if Cloudflare was failing to resolve certain domains because it is a shitty service, or if it was ordered to block those domain names by its government, or if it was actively not resolving domain names because it thought a good idea…

I don’t keep DNS logs at all. But I also don’t show up 7 years later trash talking a company or product based on guesswork and fear.

Re: Cloudflare flags archive.today as "C&C/Botnet"; no longer resolves via 1.1.1.2

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Post by Hamuko »

walletdrainer wrote: post #134
InsideOutSanta wrote: post #120

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I'm not sure whether you're making a joke or confusing the two websites.

You’re just not at all familiar with the subject. Archive.org is awful . It allows site owners and random third parties to edit old archived pages. Archive.today does not.

Is it that much better that Archive.today reserves the right to edit old archived pages for the owner whenever they have a petty grudge with someone?

At least site owners have the copyright on the pages that Archive.org saves. They can just get the content pulled through DMCA anyway.

Re: Cloudflare flags archive.today as "C&C/Botnet"; no longer resolves via 1.1.1.2

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Post by surgical_fire »

akerl_ wrote: post #163
surgical_fire wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I do not keep any logs from domain name resolution from the DNS service I used from 7+ years ago. If you do, I commend you. I used the term "blocking" in a loose sense. I have no idea if Cloudflare was failing to resolve certain domains because it is a shitty service, or if it was ordered to block those domain names by its government, or if it was actively not resolving domain names because it thought a good idea…

I don’t keep DNS logs at all. But I also don’t show up 7 years later trash talking a company or product based on guesswork and fear.

It's not based in "guesswork and fear". It is a first-person account of someone that used their service. A user review, if you will.

There's this thing - when you offer a service to the public, the users of your service, can, will, and should review your service.

So, yes, I am free to "trash talk" a service that was, frankly, terrible at its job in providing domain name resolution. That works as any other user review, a data point so other users may switch away from a bad provider to a better one.

I imagine if someone goes to a restaurant and they their hot dish is served cold, if your response to the user review is a silly request for proof that the food was indeed served cold, and whining that their review is "trash talking based on fear and guesswork".

Re: Cloudflare flags archive.today as "C&C/Botnet"; no longer resolves via 1.1.1.2

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Post by akerl_ »

surgical_fire wrote: post #165
akerl_ wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t keep DNS logs at all. But I also don’t show up 7 years later trash talking a company or product based on guesswork and fear.

It's not based in "guesswork and fear". It is a first-person account of someone that used their service. A user review, if you will. There's this thing - when you offer a service to the public, the users of your service, can, will, and should review your service. So, yes, I am free to "trash talk" a service that was, frankly, terrible at its job in providing domain name resolution. That works as any other user review…

If you said that they served you cold food because the US government made them do it, yea, I’d think you were nuts.

Re: Cloudflare flags archive.today as "C&C/Botnet"; no longer resolves via 1.1.1.2

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Post by dannyfritz07 »

daymanstep wrote: post #115
arvid-lind wrote: post #109

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I'm just curious, given all the other options that respect your privacy and don't put data collection at the center of their business model, why do you use Cloudflare on your pi-hole?

Which options respect your privacy?

I'll throw https://nextdns.io into the mix. Been very happy with it. Supports DOH, block lists, among a plethora of other features.

Re: Cloudflare flags archive.today as "C&C/Botnet"; no longer resolves via 1.1.1.2

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Post by akerl_ »

hrmtst93837 wrote: post #146
vachina wrote: post #92

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> Cloudflare dns has gone back and forth. Just tells me they are an unreliable resolver. Instead of being a neutral web infra, they actively participate in political agendas and censor things they "think" is wrong.

[flagged]

Are there any examples of 1.1.1.1 or 8.8.8.8 not being neutral?

Re: Cloudflare flags archive.today as "C&C/Botnet"; no longer resolves via 1.1.1.2

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Post by protimewaster »

croes wrote: post #127
gyrovague-com wrote: post #110

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Jani here. What you describe as "doxxing" consisted of a) a whois lookup for archive.is and b) linking to a StackExchange post from 2020 called "Who owns archive.today" [1]. There is literally no new information about the site's owner in the post, all names have been dug up before and are clearly aliases, and the post states as much. [1] https://webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/145817/who-owns-...

Isn’t doxxing most of the time just collecting data from multiple public sources and connect them?

Maybe, but I don't think that distinction matters here. Surely you're not contending that it counts as doxing every time someone collects data from multiple public sources?

I've always understood doxing to be PII, which aliases aren't, AFAIK, unless they're connected to a real person. And, to my knowledge, everyone is contending that the names in the blog post are all aliases. And, regarding aliases, I've never understood it to be doxing for someone to say "FakeNameX and FakeNameY appear to be the same user."

So, to me, the thing that makes it not look like doxing is that it simply doesn't meet the basic definition of doxing. It provides no PII.

Re: Cloudflare flags archive.today as "C&C/Botnet"; no longer resolves via 1.1.1.2

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Post by JasonADrury »

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #118
JasonADrury wrote: post #74

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>It's not just problematic content, it's criminal behavior. How is that supposed to be a big deal when the one of core services archive.today provides is obviously illegal anyway?

I'm not sure how illegal copyright violations really are, given that all major tech companies are doing it. DDoS attacks, on the other hand, are pretty clear-cut. I also think "but they also do that other crime" doesn't help their case.

I think the DDoS is clearly problematic, I just don't think it's problematic because it's criminal.

It's problematic because it's childish and pointlessly degrades the user experience.

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