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Re: Death to Scroll Fade

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Post by wtallis »

sublinear wrote: post #28

There are no bad animations, only bad designs. If you design the animation to be way over the top like this, and then design the page to use it on every line then of course it looks like shit. This is like arguing against any amount of sugar in food and then shoveling it into someone's mouth to try to prove your point. It's disingenuous and you aren't proving anything. I don't even think the top agreeing comments her…

Animations need to to serve a purpose.

Fading in is justifiable when you're adding new content on top of existing content, and need to draw attention to the fact that something changed in that part of the screen. None of that applies in the case of fade-in during scrolling. The user is already scrolling, everything on screen is moving, and new content is already expected to be coming in to view at the bottom of the window. Adding animations on top of all of that doesn't help anything, and just distracts from and delays presentation of the content the user was already trying to reveal.

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

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Post by thorncorona »

thenthenthen wrote: post #130
thorncorona wrote: post #114

My favorite part of the iPhone 17 pro / ios26 combo is that it lags on any and everything that remotely touches the GPU like this website.

No stutter on iPhone 12 18.5

Next phone will be an android at this rate if Apple can’t solve this garbage

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

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Post by orthoxerox »

Illniyar wrote: post #124
Night_Thastus wrote: post #96

Something else scroll-related I personally hate: Sticky 'headers' that disappear when you scroll down, and appear when you scroll up. I hate them so much. It hurts my brain to see the stupid thing appear and disappear constantly if I scroll around a page. The worst part is you can't even zap them out of the way with something like uBlock, because then there's no header even when you're at the top of the page. >:( EDI…

This is literally the best ux pattern you can have. It is intuitive - user immediately discovers it when performing the obvious action, it increases the user experience (more text to read) without any real downside. It is the first thing I suggest to anyone when I see someone didn't implement it. I've never heard a complaint about it until now.

It might be useful if you wait until the user has scrolled more than 20% of the viewport and not pop it out immediately.

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

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Post by dylan604 »

kreyenborgi wrote: post #157
Night_Thastus wrote: post #96

Something else scroll-related I personally hate: Sticky 'headers' that disappear when you scroll down, and appear when you scroll up. I hate them so much. It hurts my brain to see the stupid thing appear and disappear constantly if I scroll around a page. The worst part is you can't even zap them out of the way with something like uBlock, because then there's no header even when you're at the top of the page. >:( EDI…

Oh god yes I absolutely hate those. Who on earth thought that was a good idea. There is a special circle in hell where designers of such sites have to actually use the sites they design.

someone designing for mobile first and wanted to maximize screen space. we don't have to be obtuse about it. it was an idea that just didn't go over as well as hoped. clearly, some people like it. it's not your cup of tea, great. now, we all know your feelings. next time i build a site, i'll be sure to get your opinions first.

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

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Post by wtallis »

confounder wrote: post #59

Amen. So cathartic to see someone publish the post I've been wanting to write for a while, and with a much better title. Also: I've noticed a new abuse recently of sites implementing scroll momentum on desktop — has anyone else seen this? I couldn't believe it, but there it was.

Sites overriding scroll behavior to implement their own smooth scroll behavior with the wrong speed has been a thing for many years. It's a bit harder to notice if you're using a traditional mouse wheel, but is really easy to notice on a decent laptop touchpad.

It's a inexcusable usability disaster.

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

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Post by h4ch1 »

wgjordan wrote: post #15
sgbeal wrote: post #3

The poster seems to be implying that this effect is prevalent across the web, yet i'm seeing it for the very first time on that post. (And, indeed, it's annoying. My eyes can't read when there's animation going on nearby.) The goldfish animation along the bottom is epic and i will have to mine that bit for reuse somewhere :).

Anthropic uses it across all their websites, here's a typical example where the effect is obvious as you scroll down: https://claude.com/solutions/agents I could be wrong, but my simple guess is that it's become widespread in LLM-generated websites partly because of Anthropic's own style guides getting adopted through Claude-bundled skills and such.

I used to inject a prefers-reduced-motion: true to most websites a few years back when this trend really picked up; and generally have all animations turned off at the OS level and at least on mac that injects reduced motion preference to the browser.

So for example on claude's website I get no animations, pretty good QoL improvement. Now webdevs HONORING prefers-reduced motion, that can vary.

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

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Post by darkteflon »

Oh yeah. Fucking hate this. Apple does it with their product pages. You have to swipe like crazy and it’s impossible to move past their pictures / animations to get to the next text block until they’ve decided that you’ve seen enough. Another one of those “this can’t have actually been used by anyone at Apple” things they seem to do so well recently.

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

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Post by rickydroll »

wincy wrote: post #38

Hah, the point has certainly been made. Absolute Barf-o-Rama. I suffer from pretty severe motion sickness, which hasn’t really improved as an adult, and this page immediately made me feel like I’m going to throw up. Had to switch to reader mode after the first image. I was always the kid who couldn’t read in the car, and was always groggy on long road trips because of Dramamine (side note, Meclizine has significantly…

Oh good, I'm not the only one. Right now, I have an ocular migraine from a few minutes on that website, and I'm trying not to revisit my lunch.

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

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Post by iamtedd »

hedora wrote: post #141
MoonWalk wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On a Web site or anywhere else. Apple, Microsoft, "flat design," and peek-a-boo UI all insult the user and waste his time by turning an important tool into an Advent calendar.

s/micro intentions/micro aggressions/

Replying to the wrong person and trying to replace a phrase that wasn't used. Bravo, you take the cake for low effort post.

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

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Post by toss1 »

dylan604 wrote: post #164
kreyenborgi wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh god yes I absolutely hate those. Who on earth thought that was a good idea. There is a special circle in hell where designers of such sites have to actually use the sites they design.

someone designing for mobile first and wanted to maximize screen space. we don't have to be obtuse about it. it was an idea that just didn't go over as well as hoped. clearly, some people like it. it's not your cup of tea, great. now, we all know your feelings. next time i build a site, i'll be sure to get your opinions first.

Even on mobile, where I most frequently encounter it, it really stinks. I don't know where you found any personality who actually likes it, outside of your own head.

If you really must show me the content of the header because in your judgement I can _NOT_ be left alone to read the article I opened instead of your critical header info, show me first and once, and let me access it again off the hamburger menu if it's that damn important.

If you know so much about how people actually use the web, you would also know that they almost NEVER actually see or read what is in those damn drop-down or pop-up headers/footers.

Dead serious, you could monitor me, and 10sec after I dealt with one of those headers, offer me a million dollars to tell you what was in it, and if I didn't you'd shoot me, you'd shoot me 999 times out of 1000. I may be a bit better self-trained for ad-blindness than many, but I know I'm nowhere near unique.

Whoever is selling them to the advertisers is defrauding them.

>>next time i build a site, i'll be sure to get your opinions first.

Seriously, with that attitude, it is obvious you think you are so much better than every reader that you do not need to check their opinion. And it is even more obvious the opinion that needs to be held in check is yours.

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