Live data from Hacker News

US Job Market Visualizer

karpathy.ai

161–170 of 388 posts

Re: US Job Market Visualizer

#161
post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And other people choose to wash dishes by hand and they're fine with it and not significantly less productive. The use of a dishwasher wasn't forced on everyone.

It's actually less productive for dishwasher-safe dishes, there's simply no question about that. Hand-washing dishes also, from what I understand, uses more energy and water than the dishwasher does.

[deleted]

Re: US Job Market Visualizer

#162
post #152
post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> cooking with an oven is more of a special occasion thing than the default cooking method that it was before. This is an incredible self-report. If you consider microwaved meals to be your default method of cooking and not something primarily for reheating leftovers or defrosting frozen meat, I sincerely hope you've gotten your cholesterol and blood pressure checked recently. That is not normal.

I haven't used my oven since buying a counter top air fryer (and a sous vide) a couple years ago. I can't think of a single reason why anyone needs a full size oven on a daily basis unless you're cooking for a large family.

Owning a counter top air fryer requires you to have enough counter space for one, I have been in kitchens where there is an oven built into the stove but counter space is at a premium.

I’d also say that while I like my air fryer oven, I would prefer to do some of the bigger things like a whole bird in the oven. It’s cheaper to buy a whole bird for meal prep.

Re: US Job Market Visualizer

#163

It's kinda cool to see a whole lot of otherwise intelligent people who are so dogmatically and ideologically opposed to anything AI that they're going to willfully dismiss anything that AI produces regardless of utility. It's not great for them, but it's a definite advantage for people who are already in the mindset of distinguishing and discriminating information and sources on merit, instead of running an "AI bad"…

[deleted]

Re: US Job Market Visualizer

#164
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Software Developers median pay according to BLS: $131,450 per year (Source: https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/... ) Computer Programmers median pay according to BLS: $98,670 per year (Source: https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/... ) Software developers typically do the following: - Analyze users’ needs and then design and develop software to meet those needs Recommen…

Still look the same to me.

Ignoring the sentence that admits they can be the same ("Programmers work closely with software developers, and in some businesses their duties overlap.").

Programmers is like a translator; somebody else came up with what to do and you're doing the mechanical work of converting words into C++.

Developer involves coming up with what to do.

Hence programmers is a lower paid position.

Re: US Job Market Visualizer

#165

It's kinda cool to see a whole lot of otherwise intelligent people who are so dogmatically and ideologically opposed to anything AI that they're going to willfully dismiss anything that AI produces regardless of utility. It's not great for them, but it's a definite advantage for people who are already in the mindset of distinguishing and discriminating information and sources on merit, instead of running an "AI bad"…

> Jevons paradox isn't relevant to cognitive surplus - you need a very different model to capture what's going to happen.

Jevons paradox was never relevant to cognitive surplus. That isn't what it's about.

Cognitive surplus only strengthens Jevons paradox. Humans are a competitive advantage for businesses in a world dominated by human needs

Re: US Job Market Visualizer

#166
post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know it's not the point of the comment but it's a bit of a flawed analogy. Microwaves have wone to a large extent, such that people without them are a bit of an oddity, and cooking with an oven is more of a special occasion thing than the default cooking method that it was before.

Interesting point! Is this an Americanism? I’m from northern Europe. I might use the micro to heat up leftovers or a cup of water for tea or whatever in a pinch, but in this household (and at all my friends’), the stove and the oven cooks the food. I know literally no-one who could say they cook most meals in the micro. I didn’t have a microwave oven before we bought a house. It took up too much space to justify, for…

American here, I haven't owned a microwave in over a decade.

I think OP is just an outlier.

Re: US Job Market Visualizer

#167
post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a great analogy because it is something that is everywhere, that everyone does use from time to time, but the idea that it magically displaces everything forever (with no downsides) is naively optimistic (The original phrase was not just made up, it was sourced from actual news articles and marketing about microwave ovens, that’s why it feels relevant to a hype cycle like this) You also see this kind of naive op…

So, you know how people talk about AIs as dumb pattern matchers? So, you know how looking at one pattern and then just saying "this one will be like that one?" without considering the similarities and differences is similar to what people complain about AIs doing? Consider: Unlike my Microwave, Claude can work on Claude. Unlike my Microwave, Claude gets better at more things. Unlike my microwave, we do not know what…

> I'm typing on one while another one (a microwave, in fact!) heats my breakfast, while another one washes my clothes, while another one vacuums my floor, while another one purifies the air in my room, while another one heats the air in my room, while another one monitors my doors and windows for unauthorized entry and another one keeps my food cool and another one pumps the Radon gas out of my basement and another one scoops my cat's poop.

You’re kind of missing the point a bit. Yes, machines are everywhere but the details are very different.

The machines don’t magically do that stuff for you. You have to buy them, plug them in, turn them on and off. Lots of people don’t have any at all. They can’t do most things unsupervised. There are still lots and lots of tasks for which a machine exists, that people will still do entirely manually

There is a naivety to these predictions that is chipped away by the mundane details of having to exist in the real world. Cost, effort etc

Re: US Job Market Visualizer

#168
post #135
post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's kinda cool to see a whole lot of otherwise intelligent people who are so dogmatically and ideologically opposed to anything AI that they're going to willfully dismiss anything that AI produces regardless of utility. You'd probably put me into that bucket, although I'd disagree. I'm not at all against using AI to do something like: type up a high level summary of a product featureset for an executive that doesn'…

Asking an LLM to analyze data directly doesn’t work. But they’re great at writing scripts to analyze (and visualize) data. Anthropic just figured this out last week and gave Claude a mode that does that for you.

This. I only ask LLMs to summarize non-critical stuff, i.e. just give me a general summary of all the work done over the past week.

If I were in need of hard analytics you can be damn sure I'd have it build a tool with a solid suite of tests following a rigorous process to ensure the outputs are sound. That's the difference between engineering and vibing.

Re: US Job Market Visualizer

#169

It's kinda cool to see a whole lot of otherwise intelligent people who are so dogmatically and ideologically opposed to anything AI that they're going to willfully dismiss anything that AI produces regardless of utility. It's not great for them, but it's a definite advantage for people who are already in the mindset of distinguishing and discriminating information and sources on merit, instead of running an "AI bad"…

[deleted]

Re: US Job Market Visualizer

#170
post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Re: kitchen appliance analogies, I stand by my "AI is a dishwasher" analogy. It's annoying that the dishes still have some pooled water in them when the cycle finishes; it doesn't always get everything perfectly clean; I have to know not to put the knives or the wooden stuff or anything fancy in it. But in spite of all of that, I use it every day, it's a huge productivity boost, and I'd hate to be without it.

And other people choose to wash dishes by hand and they're fine with it and not significantly less productive. The use of a dishwasher wasn't forced on everyone.

i wonder what people in restaurants use and why
Post reply on HN