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MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

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Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

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It's simple - nobody actually cares about the constitution.

The UK doesn't have a constitution.

The UK doesn’t have a written constitution, it does have one though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_Kin...

Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

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It's very fair to say that basically no one should be trusted with the large piles of data accumulated by various governments. But I would like to know why GP calls out Thiel specifically. Would they be just as mad at GovCloud?

I think there is a minimum standard of being informed before you can start to question others. Thiel is on the record in many ways that would justify the GPs statement. Yes, it is fair to say basically no one should be trusted with large piles of government data, but this holds more true for the the likes of Thiel who have indicated that they are willing to abuse such access.

> Thiel is on the record in many ways that would justify the GPs statement.

Thiel is on the record saying he would use the data to make health and security worse? On the record saying he would abuse access? AFAICT this is not true.

Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

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It is a complete no-brainer that Thiel and his minions shouldn't be let anywhere near anything health or security related.

Whenever I see Alex Karp speak I wonder why they can't even pretend to put on sheep's clothing. It says a lot about the breakdown of current US society and democracy that Palantir's leadership feels free to speak in the way that they do. People will not forget, because we all suspected that they were like this, but when given a tiny bit of power by electing a transient and weak president, they pulled their masks off…

> Whenever I see Alex Karp speak I wonder why they can't even pretend to put on sheep's clothing.

Because shedding the sheepskin is the point. It's performative. A display of power.

It doesn't matter that Karp has destroyed his brain with cocaine, nor that he's a massive bigot. It's a signal. "We have won. You can't stop us".

> will likely lose all US revenue as soon as democratic check and balances are restored.

The gamble and taunt being that they're stating that this will not happen. Thiel has won. US democracy is dead. The moment Trump croaks they try to seize the fed entirely.

The actual miscalculation is deeper. They may seize the US government. It won't save them, they'll only drag it down with them.

Globalism is not some evil ploy by which [we all know exactly who they're accusing] try to subvert the US. It is the foundational mechanism of the US' imperialism. And in trying to unmake globalism, they're unmaking the American Empire.

Similarly with democracy. Democracy is not some weakness forced upon the west. It is the winning system of government after all others have collapsed. Even the smartest god-king is useless if all his advisors are coked out nutjobs. Thiel's idea of disposing of democracy will doom not only the US, but himself personally as well.

Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

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It is his opinions and political goals. Not because he is maybe possibly on spectrum, which is something that does not make him any less awful.

Well that's even worse... I'm not sure I can personally get onboard with the idea of a government preventing people from obtaining security clearance for their personal or political opinions to be honest, unless they are directly opposed to the national security interests of the US of course... What relevance does someone not liking his opinions and politics have on whether or not he should obtain security clearance?…

It is 100% ok to hate on someone due to their opinions and goals. And being neurodivergent does not excuse having fascist opinions and goals. Simple as that.

And when it comes to security clearance, yes your ideology plays the role, always did. And should play the role. A simple example is that if your general ideology is "I dont care about law and I prefer to be an agent of a foreign country" then you should have no clearance.

Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

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So they are data brokers with data analysis combined. Why don't we ban data brokers in the first place?

Why would you ban data brokers?

At this point the question should be: why not?

Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

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How is this not shut down in any form? This is actual insanity.

Why is it any of our business what this guy says in his free time if it's not advocating for violence?

Calling people "harbingers of the antichrist" is tantamount to advocating violence, not to mention slander.

Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

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The UK doesn't have a constitution.

The UK doesn’t have a written constitution, it does have one though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_Kin...

Right but if you read that page you quickly come to the quote "Parliament can make or unmake any law". Technically there is judicial review now, so there is some restrictions, but not like in a USA style constitution.

Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

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post #76

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Two Reasons: 1) It holds deeply sensitive data and does so in the US. In times of increased mistrust of the US, many (including myself) see that as a risky choice. 2) Speaking of mistrust in America and American corporations, have you heard their execs talk? It's absolute cuckoo-town: > If they are not scared, they don’t wake up scared, they don’t go to bed scared, they don’t fear that the wrath of America will come…

Are you sure they hold sensitive data themselves though? My understanding was they integrate their tools with customers own data and don't have access to it themselves (at least in theory). Of course I agree that quote is insane and you can dislike them for political reasons, but I want to understand the technological fears and see if any are unfounded.

they most definitely do not, and especially not on-prem, national security systems like are being discussed here. They sell software.

https://www.palantir.com/palantir-is-still-not-a-data-compan...

Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

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Can anyone familiar with the technology help disillusion naive people like me as to why on earth palantir needs to exist? It feels like a big pile of nothing. But tbf that's how I feel about Salesforce and Jira too. Big fat database schemas with big fat CRUD atop and layers of snazzy sparklines to make PMs and clients feel nurtured and fuzzy that they've done something material.

Companies need databases lol. I don't know how you think a b2b company could run sales without a CRM like Salesforce. To give your question a generous interpretation, Salesforce is more valuable than Apptio or your home grown CRM because it already has all the features any sales org needs, and all the fragmented sales and marketing tooling are already integrated with it. And Sales is a very expensive and also high RO…

It's true, literally no b2b sales companies existed before Salesforce. We must all continue to pay for Salesforce and support its workflows for now until the endless future, lest b2b sales vanish again.
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