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Re: Vite 8.0 Is Out

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Post by ahtihn »

shimman wrote: post #137
semiquaver wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The waste of slow JS bundles is nothing compared to the cost of bloated interpreted runtimes or inefficient abstractions. Most production software is multiple orders of magnitude slower than it needs to be. Just look at all the electron apps that use multiple GB of ram doing nothing and are laggier than similar software written 40 years ago despite having access to an incredibly luxurious amount of resources from any…

Something I realized while doing more political campaign work is how inefficient most self hosted solutions are. Things like plausible or umami (analytics) require at least 2 gigs of ram, postiz (scheduled social media planner) requires 2 gigs of ram, etc. It all slowly adds up where you think a simple $10 VPS with 2 gigs of ram is enough but it's not, especially if you want a team of 10-30ish to work sporadically wi…

So you have free software that requires 2 GB of RAM and the alternative is $2k per month and you're complaining that the free solution is inefficient? Really?

Why do you expect to be able to replace a 2k/month solution with a $10/month VPS?

Re: Vite 8.0 Is Out

#162

Post by yurishimo »

Sammi wrote: post #123
jillesvangurp wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Build performance has been a pet topic for me for quite some time when I realized I was wasting so much times waiting for stuff to build 14 years ago. The problem is especially endemic in the Java world. But also in the backend world in general. I've seen people do integration tests where 99% of the time is spend creating and recreating the same database over and over again (some shitty ruby project more than a decad…

> I've seen people do integration tests where 99% of the time is spend creating and recreating the same database over and over again (some shitty ruby project more than a decade ago). That took something like 10 minutes. For anyone that doesn't know: With sqlite you can serialize the db to a buffer and create a "new" db from that buffer with just `new Datebase()`. Just run the migrations once on test initialization,…

Assuming you use sqlite in prod or are willing to take the L if some minor db difference breaks prod...

This method is actually super popular in the PHP world, but people get themselves into trouble if they tidy up all the footguns that stock sqlite leaves behind for you (strict types being a big one).

Also, when you get a certain size of database, certain operations can become hideously slow (and that can change depending on the engine as well) but if you're running a totally different database for your test suite, it's one more thing that is different.

I do recognize that these are niche problems for healthy companies that can afford to solve them, so ymmv.

Re: Vite 8.0 Is Out

#163

Post by blackoil »

semiquaver wrote: post #131
raydenvm wrote: post #80

Yeah, it makes you wonder how much computing power the industry has wasted over the years on tools that nobody questioned because "that's just how long builds take." We planned our work around it, joked about creating breaks, and built entire caching layers to work around it. Kudos to the Vite maintainers!

The waste of slow JS bundles is nothing compared to the cost of bloated interpreted runtimes or inefficient abstractions. Most production software is multiple orders of magnitude slower than it needs to be. Just look at all the electron apps that use multiple GB of ram doing nothing and are laggier than similar software written 40 years ago despite having access to an incredibly luxurious amount of resources from any…

Why are electron apps memory intensive compared to other cross platform frameworks. Is it language, UI system or legacy?

Re: Vite 8.0 Is Out

#165

Post by yurishimo »

brillout wrote: post #108

Vite+, Void Cloud, Void Framework... an epic battle between Vercel and Void is coming. The PRC (aka server functions) demo [0] is particularly interesting — end-to-end type safety (from DB to UI) is a major milestone for JavaScript. We've been doing a lot of RPC design work in that space with Telefunc (tRPC alternative) [1] — it's a really hard topic, and we're looking forward to collaborating with the Void team. (Al…

You say that, but isn't Vercel also a Void(0) investor in a roundabout way?

The big news regarding Void Cloud is that it all seems to be built on Cloudflare workers. The landing page is very light on info atm too. [0]

I am super excited that they are MIT open sourcing Vite+ however. In that realm, they are obviously targeting Bun as their main competition. Unfortunately for Bun, if they are forced to help Anthropic more than they can focus on OSS, they might lose their current (perceived?) advantage.

0: https://void.cloud/

Re: Vite 8.0 Is Out

#167

Post by brillout »

yurishimo wrote: post #165
brillout wrote: post #108

Vite+, Void Cloud, Void Framework... an epic battle between Vercel and Void is coming. The PRC (aka server functions) demo [0] is particularly interesting — end-to-end type safety (from DB to UI) is a major milestone for JavaScript. We've been doing a lot of RPC design work in that space with Telefunc (tRPC alternative) [1] — it's a really hard topic, and we're looking forward to collaborating with the Void team. (Al…

You say that, but isn't Vercel also a Void(0) investor in a roundabout way? The big news regarding Void Cloud is that it all seems to be built on Cloudflare workers. The landing page is very light on info atm too. [0] I am super excited that they are MIT open sourcing Vite+ however. In that realm, they are obviously targeting Bun as their main competition. Unfortunately for Bun, if they are forced to help Anthropic m…

Doesn't seem like it — see VoidZero investors [0].

> Unfortunately for Bun, if they are forced to help Anthropic more than they can focus on OSS

Curious: is that speculation, or based on observation?

[0]: https://voidzero.dev/about

Re: Vite 8.0 Is Out

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Post by spiderfarmer »

semiquaver wrote: post #131
raydenvm wrote: post #80

Yeah, it makes you wonder how much computing power the industry has wasted over the years on tools that nobody questioned because "that's just how long builds take." We planned our work around it, joked about creating breaks, and built entire caching layers to work around it. Kudos to the Vite maintainers!

The waste of slow JS bundles is nothing compared to the cost of bloated interpreted runtimes or inefficient abstractions. Most production software is multiple orders of magnitude slower than it needs to be. Just look at all the electron apps that use multiple GB of ram doing nothing and are laggier than similar software written 40 years ago despite having access to an incredibly luxurious amount of resources from any…

Imagine the amount of useful apps that would not have been made without Electron.

Re: Vite 8.0 Is Out

#169

Post by gtsop »

raydenvm wrote: post #80

Yeah, it makes you wonder how much computing power the industry has wasted over the years on tools that nobody questioned because "that's just how long builds take." We planned our work around it, joked about creating breaks, and built entire caching layers to work around it. Kudos to the Vite maintainers!

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Re: Vite 8.0 Is Out

#170

Post by xyzzy_plugh »

ahtihn wrote: post #161
shimman wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something I realized while doing more political campaign work is how inefficient most self hosted solutions are. Things like plausible or umami (analytics) require at least 2 gigs of ram, postiz (scheduled social media planner) requires 2 gigs of ram, etc. It all slowly adds up where you think a simple $10 VPS with 2 gigs of ram is enough but it's not, especially if you want a team of 10-30ish to work sporadically wi…

So you have free software that requires 2 GB of RAM and the alternative is $2k per month and you're complaining that the free solution is inefficient? Really? Why do you expect to be able to replace a 2k/month solution with a $10/month VPS?

Because the fundamental task many of these programs are doing is neither complicated nor resource intensive.

In the age of cheap custom software solutions everyone should at least try to make something themselves that's fit for purpose. It doesn't take much to be a dangerous professional these days, and certainly more than ever before can a dangerous professional be truly dangerous.

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