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An old photo of a large BBS (2022)

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Re: An old photo of a large BBS (2022)

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From my days... this is what an old photo of a "proper" BBS looked like https://beeline.org/beeline/?view=a29ed68f4f4d53 (note the wire wrapped custom modem controller) - the description is "Original Apple IIe with 11 modems and two 4-port homemade serial cards"

And to keep better time, https://beeline.org/beeline/?view=c0a8000daa11ca

It was later upgraded to a 486 https://beeline.org/beeline/?view=188870d0bbc894

Re: An old photo of a large BBS (2022)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes, most of them look like USRobotics Courier modems. Note that not all the machines have one, and some have two. Assuming that the parent commenter is right and that they are using internal line cards, I wonder if the external modems were being added to support higher speeds. However, the fact that we can see at least 2 (but I think four) 66 blocks means they had 50 to 100 phone lines for the machines visible, whic…

I think you're right and that there were only two modems connected to the boxes so that's just the built in serial ports, here is another copy of the same picture by someone that apparently funded the board with some details: https://x.com/ScottApogee/status/1593729387106512896

This almost confirms it then, each machine has an external modem tied to 1 phone line per modem, and there are no internal modems in use. The picture shows 50 modems that I can see, and the original article indicates that it's around half of their total setup. Scott notes that they had a T3 (likely a frac T3) with 140 dial-in nodes, which aligns with the articles guess of 134 machines.

So I would say that almost definitely, they are using 1 (or 2 for some on the right side of the photo) external modem per PC connected to the 66 block, those analog phone blocks tied back to the channel bank/multiplexer, and the carrier's T3 tied in there.

No internal modems used at all.

And the person who posted the photo on twitter is none other than Scott Miller, founder of Apogee Software, publisher of some of the most revolutionary games of the late 80's and early 90's, and this BBS (Software Creations) was the cornerstone of distributing the shareware versions of those games. Very cool bit of history, I remember dialing in to Software Creations to download Commander Keen!

Re: An old photo of a large BBS (2022)

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post #158

Nobody mentioned the smell of that time yet. An acrid air, stingy for the first few seconds but then somewhat enjoyable because of the ozon. The smell of stale coffee and cigarettes lingering. The smell of wood for cabinets (instead of pressed and glued materials). This is how I remember the university where my father worked (more coffee), the teachers room from my moms school (more cigarettes) and the IT department…

You forget the toxic brominated flame retardents. No, I don't miss that smell so much.

Re: An old photo of a large BBS (2022)

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Here's a memory: My old Fido-net system, running on a 386, with a single phone line. Connected to a Microcom 34Kbaud modem.

Everything is chugging on, and connects to another system further up the chain at 2 am for network traffic. Except he's on a new phone number, on a new exchange in the state. A 914 exchange. Only the phone company's updates haven't reached all of the telephone switching centers in the sate. Somehow, it was re-routed to 911 services, and I had the police and fire department at the front door responding to a 'silent call'. They went away unhappy. I wasn't very happy either.

Re: An old photo of a large BBS (2022)

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Higher resolution photo https://web.archive.org/web/20230531042903im_/https://static...

Interesting. I thought that looked like a frisbee between the 3 disk packs (?) just below the ceiling next to the cupboard with the brown slatted doors. But then the original picture was so small I thought it must be a desk fan, but in the larger picture I'm going back to my original guess of a frisbee!

Re: An old photo of a large BBS (2022)

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From the follow-up article: https://rachelbythebay.com/w/2022/01/27/scale/

"If you are sticking with the 2022 equivalent of MS-DOS and machines that do exactly one thing at a time, then yeah, you are going to have a whole fleet of systems all sitting there busy-waiting on something stupid."

"Don't recreate the basement full of PCs when the problem can actually be solved with a single box sitting in a cabinet somewhere."

If they really were just PCs to act as a modem-to-network bridge, this seems to be remarkably cost-inefficient. I remember around 1997 helping the university chuck out a few serial line concentrators (no idea what they were actually called), each of which had 32x RS-232 ports that worked up to 19200 baud and a 10Mbit coax network connection at the back. The on-board computer (wouldn't be at all surprised if it was much more than a 68000 or two) interfaced with all the serial ports and translated it to telnet on a remote machine. You could also send it an escape code and then via a primitive command line connect to any arbitrary IP address and port over TCP. I remember in my student days (so maybe 1995) using finger and SMTP directly from these text terminals without actually logging on.

No idea when these became available, but we were chucking them out in 1997 or 1998 as we were upgrading the labs of text terminals to PCs, so they probably at least a decade old by then.

Re: An old photo of a large BBS (2022)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some details/speculation from the original thread here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30098186 “as modems got faster, supporting 16 modems on a single machine became impossible, and it was often cheaper to buy a new commodity desktop PC rather than a much more expensive machine with a 16-port serial card capable of handling the IO.”

You are correct, but the problem was the PC only had 16 IRQs. That required using intelligent multi-port cards from Digi or Rocketport. They worked by aggregating all the ports to a single card IRQ, and managing all the hardware signals, echo. I wrote the software for a breakout box that could handle 128 serial ports. It was an ISA backplane with an industrial 286 computer and multi-port serial cards. This was our so…

iirc fancier (expensive) multiport ISA card had their own CPU (probably a Z80 or 8051) and a little RAM as buffer. Here an EISA card with an (unusual) Z280: https://oldcomputer.info/terminal/ap_cards/si-eisa_1.jpg
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