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Colon cancer now leading cause of cancer deaths under 50 in US

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Re: Colon cancer now leading cause of cancer deaths under 50 in US

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You're on a discussion forum where the topic is colon cancer. Surely you understand that people are going to discuss it? It's a bit hard to tell from your post what you're saying. Certainly I can imagine being annoyed by constantly being given health advice from layman. But this is... a forum.

There's a bazillion ways to discuss a topic that don't involve giving advice with unearned confidence. Even just saying "My experience is that doing X helped" instead of "You should do X" is a massive massive difference.

One thing I've noticed is that Americans typically use the latter while conversing.

Re: Colon cancer now leading cause of cancer deaths under 50 in US

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Amazing how everybody in this thread has posted their pet theories as to cause: - insufficient fibre - too much high fructose corn syrup - too much milk - too much citric acid - toxins and parasites (gut cleanse!) - washing chicken in chlorine (voiced as hypothetical) - ultra-marathoners - maybe their supplements and too much carbs or dehydration? - too much processed junk - vitamin and mineral deficiencies - radiati…

Can we add microplastics to the list?

Re: Colon cancer now leading cause of cancer deaths under 50 in US

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It's better than the "Food Pyramid" and "MyPlate" which were the gov standards when I was growing up. Those standards put processed carbs like bread/pasta as the largest part of a "healthy diet". Whoops.

Humans have relied on bread, pasta, rice, and tubers for most of their calories since time immemorial. Japanese people eat plenty of rice even today and they are very healthy. "Food pyramid dumb, eat meat" is a very reductive take.

Folks had to do the harvest and milling work themselves until recently, it’s not the same. Nor are the quantities.

Re: Colon cancer now leading cause of cancer deaths under 50 in US

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post #151

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There's a bazillion ways to discuss a topic that don't involve giving advice with unearned confidence. Even just saying "My experience is that doing X helped" instead of "You should do X" is a massive massive difference.

One thing I've noticed is that Americans typically use the latter while conversing.

(Nearly) everybody does, it's not an American thing. It takes a bit of personal discipline to avoid it.

Re: Colon cancer now leading cause of cancer deaths under 50 in US

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I think this is probably due to people suffering from the just-world fallacy. Most folks like to believe that if you do the right things and consume the right stuff you'll have a long and healthy life when the fact of the matter is that luck/randomness plays a much larger role in your health than most people would like to admit.

One should acknowledge the role genes/luck play in disease, while also admitting that there are a few foods about which there is more or less consensus they are very bad for your health. So you can roll your eyes if someone suggests eating kale sprouts will cure all your problems but don't just keep eating junk food as if the opposite of their take must be good.

This. I'm as exhausted as anyone about the latest macro/micro nutrient diet. But also, when I binge on a bag of potato chips, I assume (correctly) that I'll feel like shit later. Calorie dense food that's easily procured and eaten to excess was not part of our evolutionary path up to now. Every individual person is a cornucopia of variables though too, and one persons perfect diet would kill someone else. So advice is hard to give out, but there are clearly some broad guidelines to eating and health that help you mitigate bad dice rolls.

Re: Colon cancer now leading cause of cancer deaths under 50 in US

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The trend has been upwards for invasive colorectal cancer among US residents under 50: https://seer.cancer.gov/statistics-network/explorer/applicat...

It has ticked up 1-2 per 100k over the past few decades for that group. Zoom the chart out, and you would probably be excused for assuming it is flat with some noise. By all means, we should study this more. But the way folks are talking about this is a touch nuts.

It went up by 4 per 100k. And, since it was at 6 in 2000, that's a large increase.

>Zoom the chart out, and you would probably be excused for assuming it is flat with some noise.

That's true of all cancers, if not all statistics.

The concern here is two-fold:

(1) The people under 50 now will be over 50 in a decade or so. We can already see that the trend of colorectal cancer among those aged 50 to 64 was decreasing until 2012, but had since gone up. This will likely get worse. Early onset colorectal cancer is a canary in the coalmine.

(2) Unless this trend is caused by a specific chemical exposure or a purely dietary reason, the behavior/lifestyle/health conditions behind it are likely to lead to other types of cancers. Obesity and lack of exercise have been linked to a lot of cancers. I'm worried about losing progress across the board when these young people reach their 60s.

Re: Colon cancer now leading cause of cancer deaths under 50 in US

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Humans have relied on bread, pasta, rice, and tubers for most of their calories since time immemorial. Japanese people eat plenty of rice even today and they are very healthy. "Food pyramid dumb, eat meat" is a very reductive take.

Folks had to do the harvest and milling work themselves until recently, it’s not the same. Nor are the quantities.

That's what I mean by reductive. Lifestyle changes, processed food filled with sugar and marketed by corporations...they all played a part.

Re: Colon cancer now leading cause of cancer deaths under 50 in US

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Humans have relied on bread, pasta, rice, and tubers for most of their calories since time immemorial. Japanese people eat plenty of rice even today and they are very healthy. "Food pyramid dumb, eat meat" is a very reductive take.

Only the last hundred to twenty thousand years or so. Evolutionarily speaking, that's not our typical diet. Maybe excepting tubers.

Explain Japan.

Re: Colon cancer now leading cause of cancer deaths under 50 in US

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I think this is probably due to people suffering from the just-world fallacy. Most folks like to believe that if you do the right things and consume the right stuff you'll have a long and healthy life when the fact of the matter is that luck/randomness plays a much larger role in your health than most people would like to admit.

One hundred percent. I work in film, and recently had an argument with a friend around this point. He's incredibly healthy, and frequently works a large number of unsociable hours. I was pointing out that filmmaking hours make no concession for family or age. He'd convinced himself that he'll have no more difficulty doing 80 hour weeks in his forties and fifties than he does in his mid thirties, because he 'takes car…

Certainly people work their way up and fade into a less strenuous role. Surely they don't just kick people to the curb. That would suck.

Re: Colon cancer now leading cause of cancer deaths under 50 in US

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There is going to be some big AHA moment tied so couple food practices. Like washing chicken in chlorine or something. I wonder how are the stats in other developed countries. The title says US.

That seems like wishful thinking, IMO. Seems more likely we will find it’s due a complex constellation of genetics, diet, lifestyle factors like exercise, environmental exposure, etc associated eith a modern sedentary lifestyle with no clear smoking gun or single preventative intervention.

It sort of reminds me of when Lesswrong was fixated on a hypothesis that lithium levels in the water supply was the cause of the obesity epidemic. There was a lot of enthusiasm for the idea at the time, and somewhat understandably as it would have been a single variable that could be tweaked for massive societal benefits.

But there wasn’t really any credible evidence to support it. Trying to reduce the complexity of human biology and lifestyle to single cause/effect relationship is an easy and tempting trap to fall into to explain unknowns in medicine.

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