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I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Great take. If the past year has taught us anything, it’s that the US can’t really be seen as the “good guys” in such a simple way. Many of these things have been happening for years, but war crimes, disregard for international law, blackmailing allies, killing their own citizens without accountability, and allowing foreign governments to heavily influence policy are all troubling signs. It’s easy to point to China a…

>It’s easy to point to China as a place where freedom of speech isn’t present, but try asking members of the current administration or even Supreme Court judges who won the 2020 election and see what kind of responses you get. Freedom of speech and regard for the facts are independent concerns. People absolutely have the right to call out lies about the 2020 election and have repeatedly done so.

> People absolutely have the right to call out lies about the 2020 election and have repeatedly done so.

Some at the cost of their careers and a few now face the threat of prosecution.

China is a low bar. We shouldn't accept any of this as normal.

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But the "Anthropic fight" is mostly fake. Palantir was using Claude as base model. Anthropic allegedly took issue with unsupervised kills because the technology wasn't ready (or something along the lines). Also, I remember reading this guy has close ties to Anthropic. Also, I find it suspicious how he came to prominence out of nowhere. Like Big Tech and the establishment are propping podcasts of controlled narrative/…

>I find it suspicious how he came to prominence out of nowhere He was first funded by FTX

Holy rabbit hole.

SBF was in Patel's previous podcast in July 2022 and FTX unraveled in November 2022. Hmm.

https://www.dwarkesh.com/p/sbf

> I flew to the Bahamas to interview Sam Bankman-Fried, the CEO of FTX! He talks about FTX’s plan to infiltrate traditional finance, giving $100m this year to AI + pandemic risk, scaling slowly + hiring A-players, and much more.

And that was right in the middle of FTX being accused by many prominent people .

April 29, 2022 https://x.com/AlderLaneEggs/status/1520023221294145536

June 20, 2022 https://x.com/MartyBent/status/1538645746655936519

Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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But the "Anthropic fight" is mostly fake. Palantir was using Claude as base model. Anthropic allegedly took issue with unsupervised kills because the technology wasn't ready (or something along the lines). Also, I remember reading this guy has close ties to Anthropic. Also, I find it suspicious how he came to prominence out of nowhere. Like Big Tech and the establishment are propping podcasts of controlled narrative/…

He's roommates with an Anthropic researcher, I was roommates with a Google product manager I don't think I'm really bought out by Google.

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Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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What's the difference between a court whose orders you can ignore and a court that doesn't exist? Sounds like a question for the philosophers.

> What's the difference between a court whose orders you can ignore and a court that doesn't exist? SCOTUS isn’t being ignored. > Sounds like a question for the philosophers And lawyers. It’s an interesting series of hypotheticals.

> SCOTUS isn’t being ignored.

SCOTUS rules 90%+ for Trump (lower courts are 90%+ against). They've given him freedom from investigation and criminal prosecution. They aren't much of a bulwark.

Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Even if more illegal wars are started in the Middle East, even if inequality gets more obscene, VCs on HN are still going to insist that We The Good Guys are the champions of freedom, equality, justice, all the good stuff that we don’t practice (but we have great ideas about).

> VCs on HN are still going to insist that We The Good Guys are the champions of freedom, equality, justice, all the good stuff that we don’t practice (but we have great ideas about) They might. I’m not. There is an analogy here to perfect being the enemy of good. Or, at the very least, the pragmatic better.

It’s the usual feigned comparison. America is a republic and if you don’t agree well, go to Reddit and argue about it; meanwhile China is just a dictatorship. American “crimes“ are dismissed with some rhetorical non-response like “hmmph, no one claimed we are perfect”, or immediately contrasted with some arbitrary Chinese “crime”, then dropped just as fast; even someone bringing up contemporary killing of Iranian schoolchildren gets contrasted with the “Indian Removal Act stuff” as if, you know, someone didn’t just now bring up something that America did last week. You bring up the ideal of “the American experiment”, then when someone brings up inconvenient facts the Tiananmen Square Massacre makes an appearance.

But to your credit you brought up the Pretti shooting. I have to analyze how that demonstrates why the “AI values” should reflect American ones.

Judge my enemies by their actions. Judge me by my words. About myself...

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He's roommates with an Anthropic researcher, I was roommates with a Google product manager I don't think I'm really bought out by Google.

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What? Plenty of people prefer to live with roommates, especially in the bay.

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>I find it suspicious how he came to prominence out of nowhere He was first funded by FTX

Holy rabbit hole. SBF was in Patel's previous podcast in July 2022 and FTX unraveled in November 2022. Hmm. https://www.dwarkesh.com/p/sbf > I flew to the Bahamas to interview Sam Bankman-Fried, the CEO of FTX! He talks about FTX’s plan to infiltrate traditional finance, giving $100m this year to AI + pandemic risk, scaling slowly + hiring A-players, and much more. And that was right in the middle of FTX being accuse…

Grifters gonna grift, and this one is well-connected.

Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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But the "Anthropic fight" is mostly fake. Palantir was using Claude as base model. Anthropic allegedly took issue with unsupervised kills because the technology wasn't ready (or something along the lines). Also, I remember reading this guy has close ties to Anthropic. Also, I find it suspicious how he came to prominence out of nowhere. Like Big Tech and the establishment are propping podcasts of controlled narrative/…

He's roommates with an Anthropic researcher, I was roommates with a Google product manager I don't think I'm really bought out by Google.

Bought out, bought in. Is the distinction important?

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I mean almost certainly but what do the sentences you’ve highlighted have to do with that.

They're AI tells. No human would write about how "corporate friction" "introduces friction at the infrastructure layer", except maybe someone who's trying to use big words to sound smart, because it barely makes sense (what "friction"? "Infrastructure layer", what are the other layers?)

No, all those terms actually make sense and are used. I guess it’s just that people wouldn’t always use it in a casual comment.

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He's roommates with an Anthropic researcher, I was roommates with a Google product manager I don't think I'm really bought out by Google.

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It is literally impossible to prove a negative, that’s how conspiracy thinking operates and it’s why fortunately the justice system operates on the opposite principle and requires proof of guilt.

It’s true that in some circumstances we require avoiding even the appearance of impropriety or a conflict of interest, but that’s simply too large a burden to impose on everyone all of the time, especially for allegedly dire sins like “having a roommate who works for a Google”

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