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Re: Swiss e-voting pilot can't count 2,048 ballots after decryption failure

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Post by TSiege »

Auracle wrote: post #43
stetrain wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That being said, I am in favor of in-person voting requiring proof of citizenship I think this is fine if it also then means that obtaining a qualifying ID is treated as a no-cost and highly-accessible right for all citizens. This is where such arguments tend to get stuck in the US. If you require proof of citizenship, but also have places where getting to a government office to get such an ID is difficult or expen…

Pretty much every bill that has ever been put forward for needing an ID to vote has had a provision for free IDs. That’s not where things get caught up. Also, it’s a pretty silly thing anyways. I don’t even drink and I still need my driver’s license quite a few times every year.

> Pretty much every bill that has ever been put forward for needing an ID to vote has had a provision for free IDs.

Do you have a source for this because I have seen very few laws like this and runs counter to the overt intention of these laws

Re: Swiss e-voting pilot can't count 2,048 ballots after decryption failure

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Post by drivebyhooting »

estebank wrote: post #156
ericmay wrote: post #15

Stories like this probably scare some people off from electronic voting but I don't think this is that big of a deal. When we finish voting operations in my area we load the ballots up on someone's personal vehicle and they take them down, securely, to where they need to go. That vehicle could get blown up and those ballots could be gone, though I think we could still get a record of the results. That being said for…

> That being said, I am in favor of in-person voting requiring proof of citizenship The appropriate time to verify citizenship is the one that already happens: during registration. Poll workers only need to verify who you are and that you're registered.

In my experience there was no verification other than verbally verbally confirming address and name.

Re: Swiss e-voting pilot can't count 2,048 ballots after decryption failure

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Post by eqvinox »

sigh

This is why you do parallel paper/electronic voting. Fill it out electronically, it prints a receipt (maybe including a QR code), you mail the receipt (along with the 'classic' absentee voting stuff, i.e. double envelope, proof of eligibility to vote in the outer envelope.)

Oh and as a side effect it can be audited very nicely.

Re: Swiss e-voting pilot can't count 2,048 ballots after decryption failure

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Post by connicpu »

jabedude wrote: post #132
d1sxeyes wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if the ID is nominally free, if I have to take a day off and pay for bus/train tickets to wait in line at some office, it’s not really free.

Neither is voting free, what's the argument here?

In Washington voting is free. My ballot comes in the mail, I fill it out, I drop it in the outgoing mail. It's pre-stamped. I don't mind full citizenship verification at the time of registration, as that can be done months before it's actually time to vote.

Re: Swiss e-voting pilot can't count 2,048 ballots after decryption failure

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Post by alistairSH »

Joker_vD wrote: post #118
jfengel wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The USA threads the needle by simply not having verifiable voting. And it turns out it works pretty well. Despite countless hours and lawsuits dedicated to finding people who voted more than once, only a handful of cases have actually turned up. It's not that there are no checks. You have to give your name, and they know if you've voted more than once at that station that day. To vote more than once you'd have to pre…

> You have to give your name, and they know if you've voted more than once at that station that day. So you go to other stations, duh. It's called "carousel voting" [0], if done on a large, organized scale. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carousel_voting

Limit voters to one polling location. Problem solved.

That's what we do in the US. You are assigned a polling location based on your home address. You can't vote anywhere else. If you try, they turn you away.

You can do a provisional ballot (for people who recently moved, and poll data isn't updated, etc) and they validate your ID/address/etc later.

Re: Swiss e-voting pilot can't count 2,048 ballots after decryption failure

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Post by palata »

diego_moita wrote: post #17
palata wrote: post #11

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Actually I don't understand the push towards e-voting in countries like Switzerland. E-voting can be hacked from the other side of the world, because it happens on computers. In-person voting or physical mail is much harder to hack from the other side of the world.

Can't talk about Switzerland, don't know the particularities. But in continental countries like Brazil it makes a lot of sense. It is cheaper, faster and safer. > E-voting can be hacked from the other side of the world, because it happens on computers How do you "hack from the other side of the world" a computer that isn't even online? True, the transmission of computed results is made online, but keeping that safe i…

> How do you "hack from the other side of the world" a computer that isn't even online?

E-voting in this case means that they can vote from their computer, ipad or mobile phone. They are connected to the internet.

Re: Swiss e-voting pilot can't count 2,048 ballots after decryption failure

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Post by alistairSH »

drstewart wrote: post #137
cj wrote: post #125

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At least in NY, you would have to know the name of someone else assigned to the 2nd polling site, since your name is only on the list of 1 polling location?

This is of course a very high bar to clear, as data such as people's names is highly confidential and almost impossible to get unless you're any one of these 750+ data brokers: https://privacyrights.org/data-brokers

You'd also need a fake ID. And be willing to risk a felony conviction to add a single vote. It just doesn't happen here, despite the GOP trying to prove otherwise for decades.

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Post by beej71 »

dolni wrote: post #49
stetrain wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That being said, I am in favor of in-person voting requiring proof of citizenship I think this is fine if it also then means that obtaining a qualifying ID is treated as a no-cost and highly-accessible right for all citizens. This is where such arguments tend to get stuck in the US. If you require proof of citizenship, but also have places where getting to a government office to get such an ID is difficult or expen…

> but also have places where getting to a government office to get such an ID is difficult or expensive Where in the US do you find it's difficult for people to get an ID? Where is it not? What percentage of the population has an ID in a place where it's difficult to get one vs somewhere it is easier? What constitutes an ID being expensive? Nearly every country in the world requires proof of citizenship to vote. How…

> What constitutes an ID being expensive?

If you're talking about this as a requirement for voting, then anything greater than $0 is too expensive since it smells like a poll tax.

Re: Swiss e-voting pilot can't count 2,048 ballots after decryption failure

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Post by tartuffe78 »

SoftTalker wrote: post #138
superxpro12 wrote: post #135

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"Voting is only from 9-4" and you have a real job. Let's not pretend this wouldn't immediately be taken advantage of in certain places where disenfranchisement is real.

Get an absentee ballot then. And I've never seen such limited hours in my lifetime. Usually it's 6am-6pm on election day. And many places now have early voting, you have 20-30 days to find a time to go vote.

The federal government is trying to severely limit absentee voting as well.

Re: Swiss e-voting pilot can't count 2,048 ballots after decryption failure

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Post by beej71 »

anonym29 wrote: post #153
pseudalopex wrote: post #95

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Nearly 21 million voting-age U.S. citizens do not have a current (non-expired) driver’s license. Just under 9%, or 20.76 million people, who are U.S. citizens aged 18 or older do not have a non-expired driver’s license. Another 12% (28.6 million) have a non-expired license, but it does not have both their current address and current name. Additionally, just over 1% of adult U.S. citizens do not have any form of gover…

If 10% of drivers lacked car insurance, would your solution be to remove the legal requirement to possess a valid insurance policy to operate a motor vehicle because it discriminates against the poor?

No. Because operating a motor vehicle is a very dangerous activity.

This a very is a poor analogy that you have here.

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