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How Big Diaper absorbs billions of extra dollars from American parents

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Re: How Big Diaper absorbs billions of extra dollars from American parents

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Re: How Big Diaper absorbs billions of extra dollars from American parents

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I submit the cost benefit is closer to neutral with extra washer cycles, setup costs, labor, friction while travelling... This is probably better ROI than "breastfeeding saves money" when formula is so cheap and you avoid pumping, washing, and labor while exhausted.

Exclusive breastfeeding (not bottle feeding breastmilk) is less labor than formula. The problem is potential discomfort, and inability for both parents to split the labor more equally.

You raise a good distinction with exclusive breastfeeding and no bottle.

That assumes

-Always available to breastfeed

- mom doesn't work (or at least has tremendous flexibility)

-and doesn't need to pump

Those are overly idealistic to me and impose overhead costs.

Re: How Big Diaper absorbs billions of extra dollars from American parents

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Individualism taken to the insane. “How the next generation of your society is raised is none of your business”. Take some ownership

It's insane individualism to think other ppl don't get to dictate what kind of food people feed their kids?

Yes it is.

Kids grow up to run the world, a world I’m going to live in. I have a stake in that. This should be obvious if we take our civilization seriously.

Re: How Big Diaper absorbs billions of extra dollars from American parents

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I can simultaneously criticize your parenting and not want the government to "dictate" it be otherwise.

"I say whatever I want and people can't tell me to stfu" who is the insane individualist now?

Who are you quoting?

Re: How Big Diaper absorbs billions of extra dollars from American parents

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post #141

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As a black man in America I can promise you that how you raise your children will objectively be my problem If everybody around me trains their children to be fascists that’s clearly my problem How Society runs is everybody’s business

Lol iPad, social media, and processed food consumption is going to be your problem? OP was not talking about values, he was talking about the day to day specifics of child rearing.

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Re: How Big Diaper absorbs billions of extra dollars from American parents

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> But cloth diapers are obviously much better for the environment What about this is obvious? Water usage, transportation, fabrication factors, different usage patterns; seems like there are many things to tease apart here.

I think as a general rule: a reusable thing is more environmentally friendly than a single-use thing (especially when the reuse cycles are high). Yes, there are exceptions. But you’ve got the bizarre case to make here, if you want to suggest single-use diapers (that also use water, require transportation, are fabricated, packaged, etc.) are a more efficient use of resources.

I don't think it's that crazy. It's fairly well documented that a reusable cloth shopping bag has a break even with plastic shopping bags at around a 100-200 reuses, something most people won't reach.

With diapers, you have wash water, electricity, and a gas dryer in the mix.

Then you have people in this thread talking about services to pickup and wash them for you. How many trips car trips is that- 2 a week?

Re: How Big Diaper absorbs billions of extra dollars from American parents

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We're using cloth diapers for our daughter (6m). She's still exclusively breastfed so no solid poops but so far I estimate we've saved over $100/mo by this decision. The story may change when she starts on solids but I recommend everyone to try out cloth diapers, just make sure you have a routine and system in place to make it less overwhelming (we have two diaper pails next to the changing table, one for disposable…

That's like $3 per day (a coffee). Most diapers only get pee, but cloth diaper are more difficult to use, let's add 2 extra minutes, 4 or 5 times per day. No solids means "not hard rock solids", they still make a nasty stinky brown paste. Hopefully only once per day. But that diaper MUST be partialy hand-washed, don't put it as is in the washing machine. At least a partial hand wash and then go with the rest to the w…

> That's like $3 per day (a coffee).

The number I gave was a ballpark number. I actually haven't run the numbers. But in any case, this sort of argument has always made no sense to me. First I don't buy coffee every day. I make my coffee at home. And if I did, it's not like disposable diapers and daily coffee are mutually exclusive.

At the end of the day a $3 expense is a $3 expense, and adds up to over $1000 a year. Maybe that's chump change for some, but I take my wins where I can get them.

Re: How Big Diaper absorbs billions of extra dollars from American parents

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post #114

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“ That's like $3 per day (a coffee).” Or $1000 per year? That little coffee a day already pays for a vacation flight.

Yeah, or 365 coffees (well for me it's energy drinks). I'm well aware which one of those brings me more total joy in my life and it isn't the flight. It isn't even close.

Diapers and caffeine are not mutually exclusive.

Re: How Big Diaper absorbs billions of extra dollars from American parents

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We're using cloth diapers for our daughter (6m). She's still exclusively breastfed so no solid poops but so far I estimate we've saved over $100/mo by this decision. The story may change when she starts on solids but I recommend everyone to try out cloth diapers, just make sure you have a routine and system in place to make it less overwhelming (we have two diaper pails next to the changing table, one for disposable…

I submit the cost benefit is closer to neutral with extra washer cycles, setup costs, labor, friction while travelling... This is probably better ROI than "breastfeeding saves money" when formula is so cheap and you avoid pumping, washing, and labor while exhausted.

I'm not sure where you live but formula is not cheap here.

We use disposables while traveling. It's just easier.

Re: How Big Diaper absorbs billions of extra dollars from American parents

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post #141

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Lol iPad, social media, and processed food consumption is going to be your problem? OP was not talking about values, he was talking about the day to day specifics of child rearing.

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