The Chinese spyware app won’t do E2EE? I can’t believe what I’m reading.
TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe
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Re: TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe
#162Since when is E2EE controversial? Not using E2EE should be controversial.
It's never been controversial, it's the BBC. doing it's usual job of laundering the arguments the establishment want you to hear for domestic consumption.
The thing is, it _is_ controversial. At least amongst the general public.
Obviously not in somewhere like Hacker News where there’s a clear consensus, but if you asked a random sample of the UK population “should law enforcement be allowed to compel tech companies to hand over all DMs of confirmed paedophiles?”, I’d bet very good money the majority would say “yes”.
The notion that “Big Tech” can absolve themselves of the responsibility to help law enforcement find child abusers by saying “it’s all encrypted, not my problem”, does not sit well with a large sector of the population.
Whether it’s good or bad is an ultimately political question, and both sides of the debate tend to talk past each other on this topic, but it’s undeniably a controversial point within the broader population.
Re: TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe
#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
Age verification obliviates anonymity on the internet. If everything you do, _can_ be tracked by the government, it _will_ be. Allowing for more effective propaganda, electrol control, and lights a fire on the concept of a government _representing_ anyone.
> Age verification obliviates anonymity on the internet. How so? Please explain in detail, because there are already schemes such as "verifiable credentials" which allow people to prove they are of age without handing over ID to online services.
Last time my government tried that, they failed. [0]
You need to 100% trust those verification services. And considering their success rate [1], you shouldn't.
[0] https://thinkingcybersecurity.com/DigitalID/
[1] https://discord.com/press-releases/update-on-security-incide...
Re: TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe
#164The Chinese spyware app won’t do E2EE? I can’t believe what I’m reading.
Not so Chinese anymore. At least in the US.
Re: TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe
#165Brilliant. They're repackaging the argument governments have long made about E2EE being dangerous to children.
Children are just too effect of a tool when building a surveillance state. We should have banned children from owning open computers a long time ago just like we do with Alcohol, Driving licenses, etc. Instead children would own special devices that are locked down and tagged with a "underage" flag when interacting with online services, while adults could continue as normal. We already heavily restrict the freedom of…
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Re: TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe
#166Brilliant. They're repackaging the argument governments have long made about E2EE being dangerous to children.
Does it matter. It's just some arbitrary company. They do have the freedom to decide those things however they want, right? The customer can then decide whether to switch or not.
Re: TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe
#167Brilliant. They're repackaging the argument governments have long made about E2EE being dangerous to children.
Does it matter. It's just some arbitrary company. They do have the freedom to decide those things however they want, right? The customer can then decide whether to switch or not.
Switch to what exactly?
Re: TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe
#168Brilliant. They're repackaging the argument governments have long made about E2EE being dangerous to children.
Does it matter. It's just some arbitrary company. They do have the freedom to decide those things however they want, right? The customer can then decide whether to switch or not.
It matters because if it works and people continue using the platform then other providers will follow and the only remaining E2EE providers will be niche.
Re: TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe
#169The Chinese spyware app won’t do E2EE? I can’t believe what I’m reading.
Yeah, about that: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2025/10/10/barron-trump-...
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#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
Parents are already allowed to restrict their children access to 'dangerous' things like open computers or knives.
Parents are also allowed to restrict their children access to alcohol and cigarettes, but it seems a government ban on them buying those things works better
Given the ease with which kids who want them can get any of those things in schools, it's not clear that the government ban is actually doing anything of significance or that the reduction in usage isn't more a result of convincing people that those things are actually bad for them so they choose not to partake despite the continued widespread availability.
Notice that consumption of those things is also down for adults even though adults are not banned from getting them.