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Post by we_have_options »

rwyinuse wrote: post #151
adriand wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US has protected global sea lanes for 80 years. But rather than protect global sea lanes, the US is bombing Iran. That’s not the same thing. The idea that the war isn’t costing money for personnel because those people would be doing something anyway makes no sense. They could be doing something else. In fact, they could be doing something that increases the wealth and wellbeing of the world, rather than destroy…

What about tens of thousands of peaceful civilians who have been killed by the Iranian regime during past decades? The alternative to this war is allowing the Iranian government to keep doing that, business as usual. In my opinion bombing people responsible for these atrocities increases the well-being of the world. Most Iranians seem to agree.

wonder what your view is of ICE actions against peaceful protesters in MN?

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Post by dttze »

throwaw12 wrote: post #137
flyinglizard wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The disruption in gas supply will be very short. Weeks, at most. The gulf states will be very happy to see the Islamic Republic gone, they are living in its shadow for a long time now. Now, Ukraine and Israel need very different kinds of support, and things like US withholding intelligence from Ukraine have nothing to do with Israel.

I wonder why Israel should get any support, do you support killing children and bombing schools? Ukraine, I understand, because it was attacked, but Israel, who was oppressing people for so many years with prisons full with Palestinian kids and teenagers long before Oct 7th, I really don't understand. Except, for Epstein reasons (blackmail), other than that, there is no reason US should support Israel, in any way

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Post by seattle_spring »

edm0nd wrote: post #159
RobotToaster wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Right now Iran is harrasing traffic gee, I wonder why they're doing that.

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"The terrorists hate our freedoms."

This seems like a perfect opportunity for a revival of David Cross's standup career.

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Post by hedora »

Quarrelsome wrote: post #113
martythemaniak wrote: post #3

Why is the US at war?

because when you give someone the keys to the US military to some people, they lack the imagination to think beyond piracy and raiding. The war in its current inception is Hamas levels of planning. 1. Do a big attack 2. ???? 3. Profit! Depends of if the Iranian state is weak enough to collapse on its own, because I imagine a land assault in Venezuela or Iran would be a horrific mistake due to the terrain.

This strike isn't even close to Hamas-levels of planning.

If anything Hamas got the US to make an unforced mistake in a game of checkers three moves out.

According to the IDF's analysis of captured Hamas documents, step 2 was:

"Get Israel to commit so many war crimes that we actually have the moral high ground. Then, regional partners will be forced to support us again, and our recruitment numbers go back up. Do everything we can to ensure the conflict expands across borders to secure future funding and alliances."

The crazy thing is the IDF knew this and published the report. Only after acknowledging that it was their only losing move did they start committing a bunch of war crimes!

Hamas' public support, funding and recruitment levels were rapidly approaching zero until the Palestinian genocide started. Now they're part of a regional conflict and arguably still hold the moral high ground, depending on how you tally things up. That was fantasy-land for them before the strikes.

It's almost like the IDF's funding is contingent on Hamas' continued existence, and, barring that, perpetual regional conflict.

It's too bad that civilians always lose in these conflicts, and right-wing criminals almost always win.

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Post by nosmokewhereiam »

joecool1029 wrote: post #13

This seems really low considering one of the early warning radars taken out cost around $1bil on its own.... and it's possible a second one was at least damaged. (one in Qatar the other in Bahrain)

NSA (Naval support) Bahrain lost a ground station (maybe two), not a radar.

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Post by danny_codes »

Quarrelsome wrote: post #96

not providing universal healthcare is a choice, as seen directly here. Its distressing to have US politicians make false claims that Europe's universal healthcare being something they "indirectly pay for", because even if Europe spent all their money on defence the US (albeit mostly the GOP) would still resist providing universal healthcare both tooth and nail.

Universal healthcare is cheaper than our system of healthcare by a factor of 2 (comparing other OECD countries). If we raised taxes and implemented universal healthcare we’d save about $1T a year.

Cost isn’t the relevant factor, it’s politics. Or more accurately, naked bribery that we, for some insane reason, call “lobbying”.

Re: Iran War Cost Tracker

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Post by postflopclarity »

rwyinuse wrote: post #151
adriand wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US has protected global sea lanes for 80 years. But rather than protect global sea lanes, the US is bombing Iran. That’s not the same thing. The idea that the war isn’t costing money for personnel because those people would be doing something anyway makes no sense. They could be doing something else. In fact, they could be doing something that increases the wealth and wellbeing of the world, rather than destroy…

What about tens of thousands of peaceful civilians who have been killed by the Iranian regime during past decades? The alternative to this war is allowing the Iranian government to keep doing that, business as usual. In my opinion bombing people responsible for these atrocities increases the well-being of the world. Most Iranians seem to agree.

sometimes there are more than two options between

"do nothing"

and the clusterfuck the current administration has embarked on.

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Post by hedora »

evklein wrote: post #101
bawolff wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US has tons of interests in the region. This is just as much for america's benefit as it is for Israel's.

"Interests." I'd love to know what the price per barrel the U.S. has paid in the last few years when you factor in additional costs incurred due to involvement in Iraq and Syria.

We're certainly paying more than it'd cost to just drive EVs.

Retail fuel prices are already higher than that, even ignoring subsidies, military operations and environmental externalities.

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