Posting it here as a top-level comment as many people asked why boycott just openAi: ----- openAI is the least trustworthy of the Big LLM providers. See S(c)am Altman's track record, especially his early comments in senate hearings where: * he warned of engagement-optimisation strategies, like social media, being used for chatbots / LLMs. * also, he warned that "ads would be the last resort" for LLM companies. Both o…
Why boycott? Just use their free services and never pay for it. Cost them money instead of pay them money is a step further than boycott.
OpenAI – How to delete your account
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#163Posting it here as a top-level comment as many people asked why boycott just openAi: ----- openAI is the least trustworthy of the Big LLM providers. See S(c)am Altman's track record, especially his early comments in senate hearings where: * he warned of engagement-optimisation strategies, like social media, being used for chatbots / LLMs. * also, he warned that "ads would be the last resort" for LLM companies. Both o…
Is Scam Altman the modern equivalent of Micro$oft?
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#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just boycott them all if you can. That's what I've done. Some people's livelihoods probably depends on Claude and they can't say use Glm4.7 on HF. Fine. But it's a moral compromise, that's life sometimes you need to compromise what you want for what you need. just don't tell yourself it's a reasonable line to hold. I can't decouple from Google unfortunately but I accept that without fooling myself into thinking "Oh b…
> I can't decouple from Google unfortunately Why not?
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#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
Mass surveillance may be illegal anyway as you say, but what is the relevance of that? I hope you don't take it being illegal to imply that the government isn't going to do it.
If you think the gov't is doing illegal things to US citizens then provide the proof and expose it. I don't have evidence so I am not going to speculate either way.
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#166Posting it here as a top-level comment as many people asked why boycott just openAi: ----- openAI is the least trustworthy of the Big LLM providers. See S(c)am Altman's track record, especially his early comments in senate hearings where: * he warned of engagement-optimisation strategies, like social media, being used for chatbots / LLMs. * also, he warned that "ads would be the last resort" for LLM companies. Both o…
Why boycott? Just use their free services and never pay for it. Cost them money instead of pay them money is a step further than boycott.
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#1671. For a site visited by millions, a header element (perhaps h2, h3, h4) followed by a paragraph has such less spacing, it looks weird and hard to read.
2. There is an interesting question at the end [0]: Can you reactivate my deleted account? I was quite interested because if the could, then they never really deleted the data. The page doesn't answer that question satisfactorily at all!
[0]: https://help.openai.com/en/articles/9019931-can-you-reactiva...
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#168Why, though? What, really, does anyone envision the next decade with government + AI is going to be like? Obviously mass surveillance is already happening. Obviously the line between “human kills other human” is blurring for a long time already, eg remote operated drones. Missiles are already remotely controlled and navigating and detecting and following moving targets autonomously. What’s the goal of people who thin…
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#169I stopped paying OpenAI a long time ago. I get that actually deleting your OpenAI account hurts their ‘numbers’ and thus possibly their valuation. I choose another path: I use their tokens for free, hopefully helping them go out of business a little sooner. The irony is that until yesterday I felt more or less the same about Anthropic. Last night I paid for an Anthropic subscription I don’t need in order to both supp…
I think what anthropic did yesterday was good, but I had to take a step back and think, well it wasn’t a bridge too far for them to allow claude to be used in the wildly illegal maduro kidnapping operation.
And of course: and what sources are you using?
I get it: moral oversimplification is tempting for many people. I understand digging in takes time, but this situation warrants extra consideration.
Ethics is complicated and much harder than programming. Ethical reasoning is a muscle you have to train. Generally speaking, it isn’t the kind of skill that you build in isolation. At the very least, a lot of awareness and introspection is required.
I’d like to think that HN is a fairly intelligent community. But I don’t assume too much. Going based on what I’ve seen here generally, I see a lot of shallow thinking. So I think it’s a reasonable concern to think many of us here have a pretty large blind spot (statistically) when it comes to “softer” skills like philosophy and ethics.
This is not me “blaming” individuals; our industry has strong bias and selection criteria. This is my overall empirical take based on participating here for years.
Still, I’d like to think we are sufficiently intelligent and we have sufficient means and time to fill the gaps. But we have to prove it. I suggest we start modeling and demonstrating the kind of behavior and reasoning that we want to see in the world.
You can probably tell that I lean heavily towards consequentialist ethics, but I don’t discount other kinds of ethical thinking. I just want everyone to think hard harder. Seek more context. Ask what you would do in another’s shoes and why. Recognize the incentives and constraints.
Many people are tempted to judge others. That’s human. I suggest tamping that down until you’ve really marinated in the full context.
Also, each of us probably has more influence with your own actions than merely judging others.
And let me be brutally honest about one’s impact. Organizing and collaborating is so much of a force multiplier (easily 100X) that not doing it for things you care about is moral failure!
I’m not discounting good intentions, but in my system of ethics, I put much more emphasis on our actions. And persuasion is an action, which is what I’m hoping to do here.