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Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by arugulum »

newguytony wrote: post #135
arugulum wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Surely if OpenAI had insisted upon the same things that Anthropic had, the government would not have signed this agreement. But they did. "Two of our most important safety principles are prohibitions on domestic mass surveillance and human responsibility for the use of force, including for autonomous weapon systems. The DoW agrees with these principles, reflects them in law and policy, and we put them into our agre…

Good ole Sammy has never lied

If your starting position is already that Sam Altman lies about everything that doesn't fit your preconceived positions, that doesn't seem like a very useful meaningful position to update.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by tomhow »

fooker wrote: post #149
arugulum wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Surely if OpenAI had insisted upon the same things that Anthropic had, the government would not have signed this agreement. But they did. "Two of our most important safety principles are prohibitions on domestic mass surveillance and human responsibility for the use of force, including for autonomous weapon systems. The DoW agrees with these principles, reflects them in law and policy, and we put them into our agre…

Unrelated, but want to buy a bridge? You could recoup your investment in a year by collecting toll. Expedited financing available on good credit!

Please don’t do this here.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by layer8 »

arugulum wrote: post #131
Imnimo wrote: post #16

I don't see how OpenAI employees who have signed the We Will Not Be Divided letter can continue their employment there in light of this. Surely if OpenAI had insisted upon the same things that Anthropic had, the government would not have signed this agreement. The only plausible explanation is that there is an understanding that OpenAI will not, in practice, enforce the red lines.

> Surely if OpenAI had insisted upon the same things that Anthropic had, the government would not have signed this agreement. But they did. "Two of our most important safety principles are prohibitions on domestic mass surveillance and human responsibility for the use of force, including for autonomous weapon systems. The DoW agrees with these principles, reflects them in law and policy, and we put them into our agre…

The difference is that Anthropic wanted to reserve the right to judge when the red lines are crossed, while OpenAI will defer to the DoD and its policies for that. In both cases, the two parties can claim to agree on the principles, but when push comes to shove, who decides on whether the principles are violated differs.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by afavour »

gonzalohm wrote: post #142
biophysboy wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes? Earnings matter to investors

Do they? What are those OpenAI earnings that you are talking about? That's a company that should have ceased existing some time ago if earnings were important

Investors want to see growth. If there’s no growth or even a loss in users the next round of funding will be more difficult to secure.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by _23sd »

transcriptase wrote: post #123

Sam must not be aware of what happened to any business or foreign nation/leader considered outwardly friendly to the first Trump administration when the democrats regained control in 2020.

If they earnestly believe in fast ASI timelines then political grudges have to be pretty low on OAI's list of worries about 2029.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by qwerasdf5 »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #130
quantumwannabe wrote: post #118

More details on the difference between the OpenAI and Anthropic contracts from one of the Under Secretaries of State: >The axios article doesn’t have much detail and this is DoW’s decision, not mine. But if the contract defines the guardrails with reference to legal constraints (e.g. mass surveillance in contravention of specific authorities) rather than based on the purely subjective conditions included in Anthropic…

You're quoting social media posts from a regime official who says he didn't participate in these negotiations and doesn't work for the relevant department. If his characterization of the agreement is correct, which I will not believe and you should not believe until a trustworthy news outlet publishes the text, I suppose this would convince me that Hegseth does not literally plan to build a Terminator for democracy-e…

> which I will not believe and you should not believe

It seems like you chose to immediately disbelieve it.

> until a trustworthy news outlet publishes the text

If you've found one of these, let me know. I'm still looking...

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by Analemma_ »

blueblisters wrote: post #154

My knee-jerk reaction to this was looks like an opportunistic maneuver that Sam is known for and I'm considering canceling my subscriptions and business with OpenAI But what's the most charitable / objective interpretation of this? For example - https://x.com/UnderSecretaryF/status/2027594072811098230 Does it suggest that determination of "lawful use" and Dario's concerns falls upon the government, not the AI provide…

As people have repeatedly mentioned, if the War Department was unhappy with Anthropic's terms, they could have refused to sign the contract. But they didn't: they were fine with it for over a year. And if they changed their mind, they could've ended the contract and both sides could've walked away. Anthropic said that would've been fine. But that's not what happened either: they threatened Anthropic with both SCR designation and a DPA takeover if Anthropic didn't agree to unilateral renegotiation of terms that the War Department had already agreed were fine.

It's absurd, and doubly so if OAI's deal includes the same or even similar redlines to what Anthropic had.

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Post by idiotsecant »

nearlyepic wrote: post #70
corford wrote: post #43

If you're unhappy with this, an immediate way to signal it is with your wallet. In my case I've just uninstalled chatgpt from my phone, cancelled my subscription and will up my spend with anthropic.

Do you honestly believe that cancelling a subscription makes a bit of difference to a company that is either committing accounting fraud on a monumental scale or shoveling venture capital money into a furnace? not to mention the whole collaborating with a fascist government thing. taking real action is your choice, but stop pretending this kind of thing matters one iota edit: to be clear, i'm not advocating for nihil…

It's the only thing that matters. These companies don't follow the rules of capitalism physics. They live or die on vibes alone and the tech community abandoning them en masse is bad for the vibes. Once they lose the vibes they are Wiley Coyote looking down at the canyon below.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by adampunk »

arugulum wrote: post #131
Imnimo wrote: post #16

I don't see how OpenAI employees who have signed the We Will Not Be Divided letter can continue their employment there in light of this. Surely if OpenAI had insisted upon the same things that Anthropic had, the government would not have signed this agreement. The only plausible explanation is that there is an understanding that OpenAI will not, in practice, enforce the red lines.

> Surely if OpenAI had insisted upon the same things that Anthropic had, the government would not have signed this agreement. But they did. "Two of our most important safety principles are prohibitions on domestic mass surveillance and human responsibility for the use of force, including for autonomous weapon systems. The DoW agrees with these principles, reflects them in law and policy, and we put them into our agre…

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Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by toraway »

quantumwannabe wrote: post #118

More details on the difference between the OpenAI and Anthropic contracts from one of the Under Secretaries of State: >The axios article doesn’t have much detail and this is DoW’s decision, not mine. But if the contract defines the guardrails with reference to legal constraints (e.g. mass surveillance in contravention of specific authorities) rather than based on the purely subjective conditions included in Anthropic…

  It is a great day for both America’s national security and AI leadership that two of our leading labs, OAI and xAI have reached the patriotic and correct answer here
He's an administration official openly cheerleading his team. This should be characterized as the insider perspective/spin, not a neutral analysis of the relevant facts.
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