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The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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Post by stackskipton »

wat10000 wrote: post #153
y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #118

My belief is they are terrified of China and this seems evident when you take into account the moves they're making with Venezuela, Iran, and the increased adoption of authoritarian tactics. We're trying to play catch-up with China's rapid rise as a super-power and the AI infrastructure is one of the few major developments we still have control over, for now. I sympathize with Dario, he's stuck in a very bad position…

If they were terrified of China, they wouldn't be working so hard to alienate so many allies who would naturally be on our side. They're just bullies trying to win approval by looking tough.

DoD Generals are probably pushing this with Hegseth because it's something they can control and Hegseth is not pushing back.

DoD Generals also probably don't agree with pissing off all our allies but they don't have control of elected leadership and elected leadership is making those decisions.

Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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Post by snowwrestler »

ACCount37 wrote: post #80
Enginerrrd wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it simply does not require much intelligence (relatively speaking) to build something that points a gun at something and pulls a trigger? I could not disagree more. A big part of that is also knowing when NOT to pull the trigger. And it’s much harder than you’d think. If you think full self driving is a difficult task for computers, battlefield operations are an order of magnitude more complex, at least.

We have fully autonomous weapons, and had them for over a century. We call them "landmines". I expect autonomous weapons of the near future to look somewhat similar to that. They get deployed to an area, attack anything that looks remotely like a target there for a given time, then stand down and return to base. That's it. The job of the autonomous weapon platform isn't telling friend from foe - it's disposing of eve…

You don’t need Anthropic for this use case, so obviously this use case is not what the current fight is about.

Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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Post by owenthejumper »

parliament32 wrote: post #91
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #32

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> is a guaranteed end of the company Why do you say this?

Because this means you can't use it in regulated industries, including vendors of companies in regulated industries. It means any company who buys Anthropic products can never sell services to a company who is in a regulated industry (or has customers in a regulated industry, or has customers who have customers who are in a regulated industry, etc etc).

and I was downvoted for this :-DD

Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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Post by 0xffff2 »

Enginerrrd wrote: post #66
jstummbillig wrote: post #59

On the one hand it's fantastic that people are resisting and, if nothing else, raising awareness and buying time. On the other hand, is autonomous war not obviously the endgame, given how quickly capabilities are increasing and that it simply does not require much intelligence (relatively speaking) to build something that points a gun at something and pulls a trigger? It just needs one player to do it, so everyone ha…

> it simply does not require much intelligence (relatively speaking) to build something that points a gun at something and pulls a trigger? I could not disagree more. A big part of that is also knowing when NOT to pull the trigger. And it’s much harder than you’d think. If you think full self driving is a difficult task for computers, battlefield operations are an order of magnitude more complex, at least.

And the US learned the lesson the hard way in Iraq that in fact even human intelligence struggles with this. There were major problems throughout the war with individual soldiers not adhering to the published rules of engagement.

Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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Post by 5o1ecist »

krapp wrote: post #129
5o1ecist wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Trump is mentioned over a million times in the Epstein files, he's deeply connected to Epstein. He is not "just the "currently voted-in guy" doing what he's being told to do." >"Oh but shadow government/deep state is just a dumb conspiracy-theory" ... yeah, just like an island of cheese pizza eating billionaires. This wasn't the conspiracy theory you guys believed in though. You were looking for a Satanic cabal of De…

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Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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Post by b112 »

zzzeek wrote: post #154
b112 wrote: post #107

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I keep seeing DOW everywhere, and honestly had no idea it wasn't a legal namechange yet (or ever). There's even a webpage for it. So cut the guy some slack. No one knows wtf is actually going on these days.

pretty sure the Constitution doesn't say anything about "make a webpage" as some secret way for the Executive branch to overrule Congress are you aware of how inept and corrupt the current Executive branch is ?

None of what you just said, indicates whether a stated name change was an alias, or core name change.

Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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Post by b112 »

mindslight wrote: post #135
b112 wrote: post #107

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I keep seeing DOW everywhere, and honestly had no idea it wasn't a legal namechange yet (or ever). There's even a webpage for it. So cut the guy some slack. No one knows wtf is actually going on these days.

With a malevolent agent in the bully pulpit deliberately swamping the American zeitgeist with hostile nonsense ( "flood the zone with shit" ), it has become every American's duty to be on guard to avoid propagating the regime's bullshit. We are indeed at war, an information war of the US elites against We The People. So buck up.

I'm not american, and further, whether a department name change is a primary name change, or an alias slapped on, seems pretty low on the list of things to care about.

Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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Post by nubg »

mlsu wrote: post #46
nubg wrote: post #9

This whole standoff could set a very important precedent of the Trump administration not getting what they want, and not in a "maneuvered out of the news spotlight" kind of way (e.g. Greenland), but in a public "FUCK OFF right in your face" kind of way. The worst that can happen to Anthropic is one of the two things mentioned; loosing some contracts or some fake forced management from the Pentagon. maybe Dario having…

The executives at these huge corporations already know that they can stand up to the Trump administration, and that it will fold immediately. "TACO" is printed in the Wall St. Journal. They willingly don't, because they know that they can use the administration to cement their market power. The surveillance state being built is one where would-be competitors, labor, well-meaning reformists, can be crushed on a whim f…

> "TACO" is printed in the Wall St. Journal.

Can you elaborate?

Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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Post by LogicFailsMe »

5o1ecist wrote: post #165
krapp wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump is mentioned over a million times in the Epstein files, he's deeply connected to Epstein. He is not "just the "currently voted-in guy" doing what he's being told to do." >"Oh but shadow government/deep state is just a dumb conspiracy-theory" ... yeah, just like an island of cheese pizza eating billionaires. This wasn't the conspiracy theory you guys believed in though. You were looking for a Satanic cabal of De…

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Who is giving him orders?

Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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Post by fweimer »

ACCount37 wrote: post #80
Enginerrrd wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it simply does not require much intelligence (relatively speaking) to build something that points a gun at something and pulls a trigger? I could not disagree more. A big part of that is also knowing when NOT to pull the trigger. And it’s much harder than you’d think. If you think full self driving is a difficult task for computers, battlefield operations are an order of magnitude more complex, at least.

We have fully autonomous weapons, and had them for over a century. We call them "landmines". I expect autonomous weapons of the near future to look somewhat similar to that. They get deployed to an area, attack anything that looks remotely like a target there for a given time, then stand down and return to base. That's it. The job of the autonomous weapon platform isn't telling friend from foe - it's disposing of eve…

And the arms industry has been pushing smart mines for decades, so that they can keep selling them despite the really bad long-term consequences (well beyond the end of hostilities) and the Ottawa Treaty ban. In the end, land mines are killing people although the mines are supposed to be sufficiently advanced not to target persons.

From a security perspective, the “return to base” part seems rather problematic. I doubt you'd want to these things to be concentrated in a single place. And I expect that the long-term problems will be rather similar to mines, even if the electronics are non-operational after a while.

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