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Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona

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Re: Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona

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Post by fullshark »

dcchambers wrote: post #53
rocketpastsix wrote: post #44

the damage is already done though. Discord just burned years of goodwill and trust. Im in a few discord communities and while they aren't moving Im not looking to join any more right now because of this whole thing.

Discord is a cancer on the open internet anyway. Real time chat? Great. But entire communities, forums, and wikis moving behind the locked walled of Discord has been a disaster for information discovery. Don't replace Discord with a similar alternative. Return to open forums and wikis!

These communities don't owe the world their information, and attention/adverisement economics destroyed the open internet on its own.

Re: Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona

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Post by e2le »

heliumtera wrote: post #62
jordanb wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was always difficult to get normal people to understand why the tech billionaires are so bad until Thiel gave us that clip of him getting stumped by the "should humanity survive" question. I'm forever grateful to Thiel for that clip, and to Musk for his crippling Twitter addiction. It was pretty impossible to get regular people to understand that folks like Bill Gates or Larry Ellison are skinwalkers when all they…

>It was always difficult to get normal people to understand why the tech billionaires are so bad By the "greying out" of your comment, I would assume two things: First, the difficulty you describe is not on the past. Second, normies are here in much bigger proportion than a hacker would assume, and they are offended on the behalf of tech billionaires.

Some might even agree with their dystopic vision of the future.

Re: Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona

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Post by renewiltord »

jacquesm wrote: post #129
renewiltord wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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We're all capable of seeing the difference between Taylor Swift and Epstein and his crowd. Well, almost all, apparently.

> You don't become a billionaire by being moral

If you’re ESL, that statement actually doesn’t specifically reference Epstein et al. If you’re not ESL, I suggest a remedial course and then the statement doesn’t specifically reference Epstein et al.

Re: Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona

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Post by simianwords »

rurp wrote: post #117
jordanb wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was always difficult to get normal people to understand why the tech billionaires are so bad until Thiel gave us that clip of him getting stumped by the "should humanity survive" question. I'm forever grateful to Thiel for that clip, and to Musk for his crippling Twitter addiction. It was pretty impossible to get regular people to understand that folks like Bill Gates or Larry Ellison are skinwalkers when all they…

A frustrating aspect of the AI debates has been the number of people who believe people like Sam Altman who say that the immense wealth created by AGI would be distributed to the masses to improve their lives. The notion that the mega wealthy Elon/Sams/Bezos elites are going to willingly give up unprecedented wealth because millions of people have become unemployed and impoverished is so wildly out of step with how t…

This comment naively believes in zero sum creation of wealth.

Wealth is not taken from our consumers and given to Sam Altman. Sam and his company are creating wealth - increasing the pie.

Of course it benefits everyone while also benefiting them.

Wealth need not be redistributed to improve lives. Just the mere invention of ChatGPT and letting people purchase it and use it is enough to improve people’s lives. Redistribution does not solve any poverty problem other than transfer power.

Sam redistributing money will not sustainably change anything about prosperity or poverty.

Re: Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona

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Post by amingilani »

rogerrogerr wrote: post #151
shevy-java wrote: post #142

I am not convinced. Teter Piel (don't want to use the other name) kind of purchased a LOT of influence power via lobbyists. One lobbyist is Sebastian Lurz (also not going to use the real name here; the letter "l" is an in-country humourous take on Lüssel, Lasser and so forth - ex-politicians). The superrich buy influence and worsen the situation for the rest of us. This has to stop. The USA is currently under direct…

This refusal to use people’s names comes across as childish and distracts from your intended point.

To me it feels pragmatic.

I find it more concerning that mass surveillance has come to the point where someone can’t safely express their frankly-not-that-controversial opinions without obfuscating the subject’s name.

Re: Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona

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Post by jacquesm »

shevy-java wrote: post #145
troosevelt wrote: post #114

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Isn't this kind of Nietzsche's slave morality? I don't, for example, think Phil Knight is an immoral person who intentionally did wrong things, though his company certainly has. You don't just become a billionaire and become corrupt, you have a mindset that justifies what you're doing and you conveniently excuse yourself or are unaware because you're dealing with things outside of your scope because a single person c…

> I suspect the vast majority of people who interacted with Epstein did it just to make connections and they made excuses, eg, Gates. I am not sure about that. Sex may have played a factor in this. I use the word "may", as I don't know for certain, but I don't buy into the "just to make connections". The superrich don't really need to "make connections" on an island where underage girls party.

> on an island where underage girls party

on an island where they traffic underage girls and rape them.

Re: Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona

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Post by jacquesm »

renewiltord wrote: post #163
jacquesm wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're all capable of seeing the difference between Taylor Swift and Epstein and his crowd. Well, almost all, apparently.

> You don't become a billionaire by being moral If you’re ESL, that statement actually doesn’t specifically reference Epstein et al. If you’re not ESL, I suggest a remedial course and then the statement doesn’t specifically reference Epstein et al.

What an incredibly dumb and insulting comment.

Re: Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona

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Post by renewiltord »

shevy-java wrote: post #148
renewiltord wrote: post #115

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I don't think Taylor is close to lead any villain-list of superrich. Teter Phiel using money to buy influence and influence legislation or Melon usk, the guy fidgeting about with his right arm constantly pointing skywards - these guys definitely would be way before Taylor. But the main issue is why a few hold so much money. There needs to be a mandate to re-invest and improve the conditions on the planet past a certa…

Agreed. I propose choosing $1m as the threshold unrealized and realized summed. A 100% wealth tax on anything over that should help reduce inequality.

Re: Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona

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Post by GuB-42 »

rocketpastsix wrote: post #44

the damage is already done though. Discord just burned years of goodwill and trust. Im in a few discord communities and while they aren't moving Im not looking to join any more right now because of this whole thing.

I think they have been steadily losing their years of goodwill and trust over time. Their client is becoming worse and worse every release, introduced ads, etc... Typical enshittification, it could be worse, but Discord already went from being cool to being tolerable. The age verification thing is just another step on the way down.

Re: Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona

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Post by rogerrogerr »

amingilani wrote: post #165
rogerrogerr wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This refusal to use people’s names comes across as childish and distracts from your intended point.

To me it feels pragmatic. I find it more concerning that mass surveillance has come to the point where someone can’t safely express their frankly-not-that-controversial opinions without obfuscating the subject’s name.

So you think that the state has massive surveillance systems (definitely) that it is willing to use maliciously (maybe), but in the age of LLMs is fooled by swapping some letters around? Seems like the threat model is unlikely to line up with reality.
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