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Re: European Tech Alternatives

#161
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Cyberspace promised us we can all work together to create things, like one species coming together to solve problems. Now in 2026, we need to “space” for every little tribe…

It was in no position to make such promises.

But it’s nice to think we can eventually end up as one big planet building things instead of 200+ tiny bickering states that need to redo all the work

Re: European Tech Alternatives

#163
post #159

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Stop being racist. Immigrants are given the lowest level type of jobs which nobody wants to do anymore. Others are then prospering to better jobs. That's how you keep the economy growing.

It's not 2015 any more, people aren't buying that any more. Nuance is allowed in the discussion

Buying exactly what? Bus and taxi drivers, people working in the supermarkets, in the low cost stores, food chains, delivery services, call agent support, then the workers in the industry plants etc etc

Are you suggesting that locals are doing that type of work?

Re: European Tech Alternatives

#164
post #71

European startups, when they are successful, will eventually end up being bought by Oracle or move to USA. Such is life.

The European digital scene isn't a pipeline problem; it's an institutional 'safe harbor' problem. We have world-class publicly funded research and education, and the talent, just look at the startup floor at Vivatech or WebSummit, but European Private Equity and late-stage capital remain structurally locked into 'Old Economy' models. In Europe, valuation is still largely tied to tangible assets and steady EBITDA. Thi…

Well said. Another factor that nobody in the EU likes to talk about is regulations like worker protections that make it hard to do layoffs. Such regulations are popular but they strongly favor large predictable companies over startups.

No economy has both: (1) a predictable investment and work environment, and (2) a vibrant technology sector. You make your choices and you live with them.

Re: European Tech Alternatives

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we live in an age where manufacturing of any kind, software, ai rule the world, and EUs output there is shrinking. I think that in current day and age EU feels entitled to disproportionately higher standards of living to its output. And given that, EUs awakening will be the rudest. US’s is going to be too, but different I don’t want to share some personal grievances, but my negative perspective on EU (esp Germany) is…

If you think AI rules the world you've certainly succumbed to propaganda.

I am not thinking about ChatGPT but robotics now advances with crazy speed

Re: European Tech Alternatives

#166
post #76

Over the last 20 years, Europe has become irrelevant. There is not a single European LLM on the same level as US or Chinese models. France's Mistral reached 400M in revenue, but I believe it could have been more relevant if the EU had not slowed everything down with overregulation.

I am old enough to remember variations of this conversation from 20 years ago. If you scratch, you always find ideology underneath: an antipathy for regulation that puts people before money and for sharing the cost of social safety nets. I like living in Europe. It's not perfect (what is), but it's pretty good. Living my life well vs. worrying about my country not buying enough GPUs to keep the markets excited? Choic…

IMHO the EU is the best place to live if you're a rank-and-file worker, and the US is the best place to live if you're ambitious.

EU integration brings some advantages but it also becomes harder to experiment. Ideally you'd have a few member states vying to become the Shenzhen of Europe but that won't happen under EU integration.

Re: European Tech Alternatives

#168
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Asml is a European company. Arm (was) a European company. Novo Nordisk is a European company. It’s ludicrous to pretend important ideas only come from the US and China.

Most of the interesting programming languages come from Europe (OCaml, Haskell, Idris, Gleam these days). We're not short on ideas. Yes we're not that good at creating mega-businesses. And when we manage, said businesses quickly run to the US.

> And when we manage, said businesses quickly run to the US.

See Linus/Linux. But I think we still have Minix in EU.

Re: European Tech Alternatives

#169
post #64

I don’t understand why Mistral gets so little recognition. They consistently have a top model on benchmarks such as LiveBench and their models are open source. Hugging Face is French, Black Forrest Labs (Stable Diffusion) is German, Weaviate is Dutch, Hetzner for IaasS. There’s AI here. Maybe hardware production is the bigger problem?

Hardware: Spot on. There are European or open-source alternatives for just about everything. Beginning with the OS, there's Linux and going all the up in the stack, we've got stuff like Nextcloud, OnlyOffice, LibreOffice, and so on. Some hardware is produced in Europe. Goodram is a nice example. What we do not have is a processor architecture, nor factories. The closest to European is ARM. It is a British company, wh…

There seems to be some progress with https://www.heise.de/en/news/Memory-chip-company-FMC-keeps-w... at least.

Maybe Goodram can then assemble their chips into consumer products? :-)

Re: European Tech Alternatives

#170
Hi all! I’m the person behind EU Tech Map.

First of all, thank you Puppion for posting here! Was happy to see EU Tech Map being talked about on one the most interesting corners of the web.

A few things upfront:

1) What the site is (and isn’t)

The goal is to make it easier to discover European tech companies (EU/EEA/EFTA/UK for now) and, where relevant, find alternatives to commonly used tools. It’s not attempting to claim “we have a European Google/Amazon/Nvidia” today. It’s a directory that helps people answer: “If I want a European vendor in category X, who exists and where are they based?”

2) Accuracy concerns are fair

A couple of you pointed out incorrect entries (LibreOffice classification, CockroachDB origin, etc.). Those are real issues and I’m fixing them. The site is only as useful as the trust people can place in the data.

What I’m doing in the near-term:

- Adding source/provenance per field (HQ, license model, pricing model, category, etc.) so it’s obvious what’s confirmed vs inferred.

- Tightening the validation rules (e.g. OSS status should never be wrong for well-known projects).

- Making it easier to submit corrections and see what changed.

- If you spot bad entries, the most helpful thing you can do is drop the company page + what’s wrong + a source (official docs/site/Wikipedia is fine). I’ll prioritize the ones mentioned here first.

3) The map clustering / addresses

Yep — geocoding is currently too naive in some cases (a few cities end up pinned centrally). That’s being addressed by improving address parsing and allowing companies to set a more accurate location when they claim their page.

4) Performance

The slow load and delayed map pins are on me. I’m already working on:

- better caching

- loading pins progressively

- reducing initial payload

- a simpler “list-first” mode for people who don’t care about the map

5) “Why not use existing sites?”

There are great lists out there. Some focus on product alternatives, some on buy-European movements, some on OSS. This one is trying to combine “ecosystem discovery” (who exists, where, what they do) with “alternatives” browsing. If it ends up redundant, it’ll deserve to lose.

6) Sovereignty / nationalism

I’m not trying to sell nationalism or “Europe first because vibes.” People have different reasons for caring: procurement rules, data residency, risk management, legal exposure, preference for local support, or simply curiosity about the EU tech scene. The directory is just an information layer. Use it if it helps, ignore it if it doesn’t.

Finally, appreciate both the feedback and to some degree criticism — if this becomes genuinely useful, it’ll be because people here kept the quality bar high.

I built this as a hobby project myself and launched it "for fun" just 3 days ago, and it has really exploded online, more than I would ever anticipate. So, please bear with me as I'm working day and night to improve the site.

Super grateful for everyone input! / Dante

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