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Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

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Re: Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

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post #94

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(Tailscalar here) To be clear: it's only the GUIs that are closed source on selected platforms.

can you say more about this. I've been considering adding tailscale to some products but if my (nerd) perspective is to survive corporate realism I need more than a 1-liner to justify. seriously curious. Also how would I pitch it to a EU based crowd that wants increasingly less to do with US based tech?

For one, Tailscale is a Canadian company :)

Re: Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

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post #149

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Open source = I should be able to fork it, change it, and use it Open source = The maintainers should build exactly what I hysterically scream at them If I had to choose one definition of open source from these two options, it's going to option 1 I'm afraid.

Once again confusing Open Source with Free Software.

It seems to have a BSD license, what more are you looking for?

Re: Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

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post #149

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Open source = I should be able to fork it, change it, and use it Open source = The maintainers should build exactly what I hysterically scream at them If I had to choose one definition of open source from these two options, it's going to option 1 I'm afraid.

Once again confusing Open Source with Free Software.

Literally nothing to do with that distinction.

Re: Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

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Personally, I understand people need to make money but this tends to be a death spiral (enshittification). So I tend to go for solutions without those incentives at all. Or at least use the free self hosted option. I wonder why you jumped into the mesh vpn market, it's so saturated. Theres literally hundreds of solutions out there (niche ones included for the mainstream ones it's probably 10 or so), many non profit o…

Another way to counteract enshittification is to pay for things, then stop paying when they enshittify.

just stop paying them, as though migrating to an alternative is free and easy

Re: Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

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post #129

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I wonder about this. The hoops you have to jump through to be on two different tailnets might dissuade some home users from even bringing it up at work.

Home users being on multiple tailnets is serious power user territory

There are a lot of workarounds these days, such as tailnet switching, and, of course, if you're admin on both tailnets, you're practically golden with the "share" option.

But even power users have to pick and choose their battles.

If I had a nice tailnet home setup going I might be seriously miffed if I had to try to fit in some of my devices to a corporate tailnet I didn't control.

Re: Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

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It handles virtual displays better in case you want your pc screen to be off while streaming. There might be other reasons.

Oh nice, virtual displays is a feature I've been wanting, thanks!

Agreed with OP. It's very handy. I made the switch after trying to tinker with running third party utilities to do this and running into issues. I found Apollo and it all just worked. Now I can stream in 4K HDR to my living room TV (which is not even what my physical PC display is). It's compatible with all the regular clients too which is nice.

Re: Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

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Makes me wonder. Say 5% of the free tier users converts to a paying customer within 5 years. And user growth is constant. Then over time, you will get a much larger free tier user base, compared to your paying customers (in absolute numbers). At some point, it must become tempting to charge all free tier users a little bit to continue, because the group got so big, so there is a lot that can be earned there. Is this…

Cloudflare still operates like this.

And they have become quite infamous for having aggressive sales tactics for anyone going over their internal metrics for the free tier (still under the public metrics for free).

Re: Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

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post #9

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They wrote a blog post addressing this concern: https://tailscale.com/blog/free-plan

The Tl;Dr here is that the cost to them of operating the free tier is lower than what they estimate their Customer Acquisition Cost would be without a free tier, so the free tier generates better leads/conversions to their paid products at a lower cost than traditional sales and marketing. As long as these economics continue to hold they'd be stupid to discontinue the free tier.

Makes sense. Get tech people to adopt it, then push for it at work. It's brilliant and it will work. It's working for Cloudflare too.

Re: Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

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How does Tailscale make money? I really like their service but I'm worried about a rug pull in the future. Has anyone tried alternative FOSS solutions? Also, sometimes it seems like I get rate limited on Tailscale. Has anyone had that experience? This usually happens with multiple SSH connections at the same time.

Companies pay per user for TailScale as an alternative to conventional VPNs like Cisco AnyConnect.
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