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Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Post by mindslight »

RickJWagner wrote: post #150
mindslight wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The video evidence shows beyond peradventure that Renee Good didn't strike an ICE agent Let's not get caught up arguing about the play-by-play details. There will always be rabid disagreement regardless of merit, causing us to miss the crux of the matter. The important big-picture dynamic is that the agent set up the situation so he'd have an excuse to kill the next person who tried to drive away from him, directly…

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It's a peculiar type of insanity to insist that it is the responsibility of everyday citizens to react perfectly calmly and rationally while being assaulted by armed agents of the state (themselves often acting impulsively and aggressively), and to then justify people being summarily executed when they inevitably do not.

Furthermore, it's disingenuous to talk about "unlawful behavior" while skipping over the federal government violating the much deeper laws that were explicitly written into its charter. If you want to keep closing your eyes to what is plainly in front of you, that is on you.

Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Post by kdheiwns »

AnIrishDuck wrote: post #106
mktk1001 wrote: post #54

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No one's murdering innocent citizens on the streets of China

This is an especially hilarious comment given what happened in June 1989 [1]. It's the prototypical example of authoritarian crackdowns and mass slaughter of innocent protestors. Discussion or even mention of it is still forbidden in China. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests...

Going back 35 years to point out a time when protestors were killed is always a strange thing to me. You can go back just a few weeks until you reach a point where the US killed protestors. Then there's stuff like the Black Lives Matter protests where the US government violently suppressed protests and people died/disappeared.

If 1989 is all a country has as a problem, then that's a sign it's doing great.

Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Post by tremon »

gruez wrote: post #67
amelius wrote: post #12

Including Apple. If it's that easy, how long do we really expect Advanced Data Protection to be free from government backdooring?

>If it's that easy, how long do we really expect Advanced Data Protection to be free from government backdooring? Taking down an app is hardly unprecedented. Forcing companies to add backdoors in secret is, so it's a stretch to think that ADP is compromised.

Forcing companies to add backdoors in secret has been precedented for nearly a decade now.

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2024/09/australia-thr...

> Technical Capability Notices (TCNs): TCNs are orders that require a company to build new capabilities that assist law enforcement agencies in accessing encrypted data. The Attorney-General must approve a TCN by confirming it is reasonable, proportionate, practical, and technically feasible.

Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Post by plagiarist »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #134
imperio59 wrote: post #102

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Yes. During COVID so many opinions were censored, including the medical opinion of actual Medical doctors and experts, if it did not fit the "accepted narrative". There was no "accepted narrative," as the public health sector was forced to deal with the rapid spread of a novel virus. Ultimately, a million Americans died prematurely from that virus. Your side advocated the use of horse dewormer and bleach. So, when th…

They say, "actual medical doctors and experts," well, call me too skeptical, but claiming that demons inseminate people in the night really calls their other medical opinions into question.

Dr. Demon Semen (who agrees with them) is a medical expert we are dismissing unfairly. 99.9% of climate scientists (who disagree with them) are quacks. Just more regular doublethink in action.

It is so funny how they hypocritically whine about "the narrative." They somehow don't remember the whiplash switching from all-in on hydroxychloroquine to all-in on ivermectin. Happened nearly instantly when their far-right grifters figured out which of those two drug would turn a profit.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

plagiarist wrote: post #165
CamperBob2 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. During COVID so many opinions were censored, including the medical opinion of actual Medical doctors and experts, if it did not fit the "accepted narrative". There was no "accepted narrative," as the public health sector was forced to deal with the rapid spread of a novel virus. Ultimately, a million Americans died prematurely from that virus. Your side advocated the use of horse dewormer and bleach. So, when th…

They say, "actual medical doctors and experts," well, call me too skeptical, but claiming that demons inseminate people in the night really calls their other medical opinions into question. Dr. Demon Semen (who agrees with them) is a medical expert we are dismissing unfairly. 99.9% of climate scientists (who disagree with them) are quacks. Just more regular doublethink in action. It is so funny how they hypocriticall…

...but claiming that demons inseminate people in the night really calls their other medical opinions into question.

Very true. And for those who have no idea who you're talking about, this is who you're talking about: https://www.yahoo.com/news/stella-immanuel-theories-relation...

When someone like the OP refers to the "established narrative" or "accepted narrative", it should be recognized as a shibboleth of stupidity, indicating exactly where they're coming from.

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Post by plagiarist »

dctoedt wrote: post #147
hackable_sand wrote: post #146

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They don't care Nazi sympathizers don't care about facts

I know. But being nasty to (him?) would just make it that much less likely that he’d ever see things in a different light someday.

The only thing that seems to change minds is when it happens to them or their family.

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Post by RickJWagner »

mindslight wrote: post #161
RickJWagner wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It's a peculiar type of insanity to insist that it is the responsibility of everyday citizens to react perfectly calmly and rationally while being assaulted by armed agents of the state (themselves often acting impulsively and aggressively), and to then justify people being summarily executed when they inevitably do not. Furthermore, it's disingenuous to talk about "unlawful behavior" while skipping over the federal…

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Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Post by AnIrishDuck »

kdheiwns wrote: post #162
AnIrishDuck wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an especially hilarious comment given what happened in June 1989 [1]. It's the prototypical example of authoritarian crackdowns and mass slaughter of innocent protestors. Discussion or even mention of it is still forbidden in China. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests...

Going back 35 years to point out a time when protestors were killed is always a strange thing to me. You can go back just a few weeks until you reach a point where the US killed protestors. Then there's stuff like the Black Lives Matter protests where the US government violently suppressed protests and people died/disappeared. If 1989 is all a country has as a problem, then that's a sign it's doing great.

There are plenty of other more recent examples in this thread.

I was simply replying to the original statement that China doesn't kill protesters in the street. The notion is so risible that in hindsight it may well have been sarcasm or bait.

But, if you wish to expand the scope of this discussion, sure. There are several clear distinctions between the (horrible) events you list and what happened in Tiananmen Square.

The most obvious is that we are free to talk about them now. I submit that the Chinese state's continued censorship of the subject is a sign that (1) the state is still complicit in these crimes and (2) it is not "doing great".

The scale of brutality is also just incomparable. I say this fully agreeing the events you list were terrible. The horrors committed at Tiananmen Square were simply on another level.

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