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Switzerland to vote on capping population at 10M

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Re: Switzerland to vote on capping population at 10M

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I said nothing about cheap labour. People should get to move and live where they want. If Switzerland has a lack of infrastructure it should build more, not xenophobically cap its population. You can’t freeze a society in amber.

> People should get to move and live where they want. why?

why not?

Re: Switzerland to vote on capping population at 10M

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And building over every piece of land available diminishes quality of life in someplace like Switzerland with physically constrained geography.

Who's to say they don't already have too much housing? People proposing this policy should lead by example and have their own houses demolished.

Let us amend the plan of action. People proposing this policy should lead by example and kill themselves to show commitment to keeping population in check.

Re: Switzerland to vote on capping population at 10M

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I said nothing about cheap labour. People should get to move and live where they want. If Switzerland has a lack of infrastructure it should build more, not xenophobically cap its population. You can’t freeze a society in amber.

This view reduces countries to nothing more than oversized hotels or economic zones, as if they don’t have communities that go back many generations and who would fight or die to defend the borders. Think this through: If the world likes your real estate, they can just come in and take it over overnight? Borders suddenly don’t matter? Pop caps can easily be understood as visa or naturalization buffers. Hysteria doesn…

Do you own that land? If you don't, then its not your land and not for you to decide what to do with it. Where has anyone proposed taking over someone's land?

Re: Switzerland to vote on capping population at 10M

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post #89

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This view reduces countries to nothing more than oversized hotels or economic zones, as if they don’t have communities that go back many generations and who would fight or die to defend the borders. Think this through: If the world likes your real estate, they can just come in and take it over overnight? Borders suddenly don’t matter? Pop caps can easily be understood as visa or naturalization buffers. Hysteria doesn…

Do you own that land? If you don't, then its not your land and not for you to decide what to do with it. Where has anyone proposed taking over someone's land?

The Swiss own Switzerland, to clear this up.

Re: Switzerland to vote on capping population at 10M

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im not sure about Switzerland, but there are areas in Germany, where you can.

Not middle of nowhere Germany either, rents in Berlin are shockingly reasonable from an outside Germany perspective

Because they all moved to Switzerland?

https://www.iamexpat.ch/expat-info/swiss-news/which-national...

Re: Switzerland to vote on capping population at 10M

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Do you own that land? If you don't, then its not your land and not for you to decide what to do with it. Where has anyone proposed taking over someone's land?

The Swiss own Switzerland, to clear this up.

Which swiss owns switzerland? Switzerland is 42000 sq km. Can you show me land deeds by owners that cover the entire area?

Re: Switzerland to vote on capping population at 10M

#167

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No, because money is the only thing that measures value. People vote against their interests all the time.

Again, how is money supposed to measure value here? Are people supposed to look into whether every company interacts with immigrants in any way and then boycott them if they do? The only avenue I see is for people to look at the aggregate economic benefits of immigration and then decide to limit it anyway, effectively treating the opportunity cost as the price they're willing to pay.

Money measures value numerically. Yes.

Re: Switzerland to vote on capping population at 10M

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post #41

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SVP "which is right-wing" may not convey the degree and nature of that alignment. Just search for "SVP propaganda posters" or read https://www.dw.com/en/far-right-party-violated-anti-racism-l... . When I lived in Switzerland I was pretty shocked by how "out" the hard right was. It was as if having been neutral in WW2 not enough of their homegrown fascists got shot, and they still had plain old Nazis kicking around, h…

> plain old Nazis kicking around, holding offices and passing laws This happened everywhere, to an extent that is genuinely surprising to me. Pretty much every German company and government position post WW2 is in this category. And funnily enough, a good number of American organizations. Chile's president is the son of a Nazi. Japan went on operating business as usual except for the invading China part.

Supporting a fascist country bombing the Gaza Strip into oblivion ends up fucking your morality. We are seeing a lot of the west be very comfortable with fascism post 2023.

Re: Switzerland to vote on capping population at 10M

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post #164

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The Swiss own Switzerland, to clear this up.

Which swiss owns switzerland? Switzerland is 42000 sq km. Can you show me land deeds by owners that cover the entire area?

Well, you can start with Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantons_of_Switzerland#Constit...

Then, you could reach out to the Cantons and ask about individual parcels or titles.

We can measure whether they have ownership by testing if they respond to trespass, maybe by constructing a building and seeing they mobilize a response.

Where do you want to move the goalposts next?

Re: Switzerland to vote on capping population at 10M

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I modestly propose a much better solution. 99% of perpetrators of sexual assault are men. Let's just ban all males regardless of race. Given the statistics, why would you want any men in your country?

Banning a gender is much less practical than banning people from another country (I'm not explicitly defending the parent - analogies are just mostly bad and distracting).
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