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Microsoft open-sources LiteBox, a security-focused library OS

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Re: Microsoft open-sources LiteBox, a security-focused library OS

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Post by lemonish97 »

CasualSuperman wrote: post #13

With how buggy their flagship OS has become, why would I trust anything else they release to be better? Or even if it does work well now, why should I expect it to stay that way? Microsoft has burned through all possible goodwill at this point, at least for me.

I know windows 11 is super buggy and riddled with issues (and the copilot mess), but I'm starting to feel there's a weird echo chamber around these forums that don't even bother looking at what the product or repository is, and automatically assume it's bad 'cause it's from Microsoft.

Re: Microsoft open-sources LiteBox, a security-focused library OS

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Post by sharts »

solarkraft wrote: post #139
simonw wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft employ over 100,000 engineers. I'd advise against assuming that everything produced by any of them is bad because of bugs in Windows.

This is not about individual employees. It’s in the nature of being an employee to be beholden to what’s incentivized by their company’s management and structure.

Don’t employees have any say in some of the design , implementation, and quality bar? Management folks are employees as well. But perhaps they prefer the paycheck to voicing concerns around bad decisions. Nothing wrong with that but throwing all the blame on faceless management and structure seems not right since it evolves from collective activities.

Re: Microsoft open-sources LiteBox, a security-focused library OS

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Post by trimethylpurine »

sharts wrote: post #160
trimethylpurine wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The response appears to be pointing out that with so many employees (engineers), it's unlikely that they all work on Windows.

Don’t the best of the best typically work on OS fundamentals though?

Which developer has the best of the best on operating systems?

Re: Microsoft open-sources LiteBox, a security-focused library OS

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Post by trimethylpurine »

replooda wrote: post #149
trimethylpurine wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The response appears to be pointing out that with so many employees (engineers), it's unlikely that they all work on Windows.

Maybe. But interpreting it thus requires too much charitableness for it not to have been uncharitable, whether intentionally or otherwise.

You mean interpreting it honestly. Yeah. I caught that.

Re: Microsoft open-sources LiteBox, a security-focused library OS

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Post by [deleted] »

mcmcmc wrote: post #135
trimethylpurine wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The response appears to be pointing out that with so many employees (engineers), it's unlikely that they all work on Windows.

And yet they still work for a company that has shown it isn’t overly concerned about quality or reliability in its products.

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Re: Microsoft open-sources LiteBox, a security-focused library OS

#166

Post by trimethylpurine »

mcmcmc wrote: post #135
trimethylpurine wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The response appears to be pointing out that with so many employees (engineers), it's unlikely that they all work on Windows.

And yet they still work for a company that has shown it isn’t overly concerned about quality or reliability in its products.

I don't think people typically have so much choice about it. Everyone is just trying to feed their families and enjoy their life. The job market is a little tough right now, I think, for software engineers. No?

I know a few personally that left their stable job to be hired and fired in the same month and remain unemployed six months later. Very sad.

Re: Microsoft open-sources LiteBox, a security-focused library OS

#167

Post by solarkraft »

sharts wrote: post #162
solarkraft wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not about individual employees. It’s in the nature of being an employee to be beholden to what’s incentivized by their company’s management and structure.

Don’t employees have any say in some of the design , implementation, and quality bar? Management folks are employees as well. But perhaps they prefer the paycheck to voicing concerns around bad decisions. Nothing wrong with that but throwing all the blame on faceless management and structure seems not right since it evolves from collective activities.

“Show me the incentives and I’ll tell you the outcome” is exactly about this situation. People who do what they feel is right may be able to do so as long as it doesn’t conflict with company policy, but when it does (say you spend a little more time on perfecting a feature), it gets noticed and eventually corrected.

Re: Microsoft open-sources LiteBox, a security-focused library OS

#168

Post by chris_wot »

pjmlp wrote: post #132
workfromspace wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I geniunely wonder if Windows G's start menu also use React and if the start menu, right click or Windows Search still sucks in Windows G or not :)

React Native, halfway between Web and native.

No, he's talking about ReactOS.

Re: Microsoft open-sources LiteBox, a security-focused library OS

#169

Post by mcmcmc »

trimethylpurine wrote: post #166
mcmcmc wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet they still work for a company that has shown it isn’t overly concerned about quality or reliability in its products.

I don't think people typically have so much choice about it. Everyone is just trying to feed their families and enjoy their life. The job market is a little tough right now, I think, for software engineers. No? I know a few personally that left their stable job to be hired and fired in the same month and remain unemployed six months later. Very sad.

What a ridiculous excuse. People who join ICE to brutalize minorities and protestors are just trying to feed their families too, then. No?

Working for Microsoft doesn’t make them bad engineers or bad people, but it does make them Microsoft employees. And they get to bear its reputation whether they want to or not. If it makes them uncomfortable then they should make a change or grow thicker skin.

Oversaturation of the labor supply for software engineers has been looming for a while now. Gen Z was sold on infinite growth in the ZIRP era which was never going to happen, but everyone still jumped in. What we’re seeing is structural unemployment. Not everyone’s gonna make it.

Re: Microsoft open-sources LiteBox, a security-focused library OS

#170

Post by ray_v »

replooda wrote: post #104
simonw wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft employ over 100,000 engineers. I'd advise against assuming that everything produced by any of them is bad because of bugs in Windows.

The criticism was directed at the company's product, not the employees...

I always wish that people would make this distinction more often ... the people=good, the product=bad ... people!=bad
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