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Re: Top downloaded skill in ClawHub contains malware

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My question to Apple, Microsoft, and the Linux kernel maintainers is this: Why is this even possible? Why is it possible for a running application to read information stored by so many other applications which are not related to the program in question? Why is isolation between applications not in place by default ? Backwards compatibility is not more important than this. Operating systems are supposed to get in the…

You have to balance security with utility, so you find obviously safe compromises. You shouldn't allow applications to share completely different file formats. Your text editor doesn't need to be able to open an mp3 file. Even when it's convenient for an application to open a file, as long as it can't execute the file it can't do too much damage. Be sure to consider that interpreting complex file formats is dangerous…

> Even when it's convenient for an application to open a file, as long as it can't execute the file it can't do too much damage.

Ransomware and `rm` would like to argue with you. lots of damage can be done to a file without the ability to execute that file.

There is no reason that a system can't be created which has it all. That's the beauty of software, you can create your own reality. The solution just needs to be found, and it will never be found by looking for ways to adapt our current operating systems. This needs to be something new, and it needs to look unlike what operating systems look like today. That doesn't mean it can't exist, it just means that it hasn't been invented, yet.

In Plan 9, everything is exposed as files and every process gets its own namespace. The namespace thing is important, because you can easily launch a new window, configure its namespace to remove or add arbitrary filesystem paths from or to it, lock that namespace to prevent changes, then launch programs which inherit that namespace. Those programs can then only see what you gave them permission to see. So you can completely control what parts of the hardware and filesystem that the namespace can see and use.

The only thing it lacks is per-namespace memory isolation; it currently only has per-user memory isolation, so programs running as me can read the RAM of other programs running as me if I don't opt out of that.

Something like this could be made a little more user friendly and we'd have a secure-by-default operating system. It could even run existing programs if we wanted it to do that.

Re: Top downloaded skill in ClawHub contains malware

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My question to Apple, Microsoft, and the Linux kernel maintainers is this: Why is this even possible? Why is it possible for a running application to read information stored by so many other applications which are not related to the program in question? Why is isolation between applications not in place by default ? Backwards compatibility is not more important than this. Operating systems are supposed to get in the…

But in this case, isn't the whole pitch that the agent has access to all your data (and the network!) so it can fluidly perform any task you ask of it?

Either the agent needs to be a superuser, with all the attendant risks... or you go the Windows Vista route and constantly prompt users to approve every single access need, which we've all seen how that turns out.

Re: Top downloaded skill in ClawHub contains malware

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post #39

This article is so frustrating to read: not only is it entirely AI-generated, but it also has no details: "I'm not linking", "I'm not pasting". And I don't doubt there is malware in Clawhub, but the 8/64 in VirusTotal hardly proves that. "The verdict was not ambiguous. It's malware." I had scripts I wrote flagged more than that! I know 1Password is a "famous" company, but this article alone isn't trustworthy at all.

Author here, I used AI to help me write this article primarily to generalize the content and remove a lot of the specific links and dangerous commands in the malware. If you are actually curious about the specifics, happy to share here since this is a more technical audience. --- The top downloaded skill at the time of this writing is.... https://www.clawhub.com/moonshine-100rze/twitter-4n "ClawHubTwitter — ClawHubUs…

> I believe what you wrote here has ten times more impact in convincing people.

Seconded. It was great to follow along in your post here as you unpacked what was happening. Maybe a spoiler bar under the article like “Into the weeds: A deeper dive for the curious”

I skimmed the article but couldn’t bring myself to sit through that style of writing so I was pleased to find a discussion here.

Re: Top downloaded skill in ClawHub contains malware

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> people publishing articles that contain these kinds of LLM-ass LLMisms don't mind and don't notice them That certainly seems to be the case, as demonstrated by the fact that they post them. It is also safe to assume that those who fairly directly use LLM output themselves are not going to be overly bothered by the style being present in posts by others. > but there are also always clearly real people in the comment…

> Or translate it from their first language if that is not the common language of the forum in question. While LLM-based translations might have their own specific and recognizable style (I'm not sure), it's distinct from the typical output you get when you just have an LLM write text from scratch. I'm often using LLM translations, and I've never seen it introduce patterns like "it's not x, it's y" when that wasn't i…

That is true, but the “negative em-dash positive” pattern is far from the only simple smell that people use to identify LLM output. For instance certain phrases common in US politics have quickly become common in UK press releases do to LLM based tools being used to edit/summarise/translate content.

Re: Top downloaded skill in ClawHub contains malware

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post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

at the risk of going a bit off topic here, what specifically has deteriorated? as someone who has used 1password for 10 years or so, i have not noticed any deterioration. certainly nothing that would make me say something like they are a "shell of their former selves'. the only changes i can think of off the top of my head in recent memory were positive, not negative (e.g. adding passkey support). everything else wor…

All of their browser extensions have been unusuably glitchy and janky for me for about four years, I recently gave up and switched to manually copying passwords over from the desktop or mobile apps. Personally, I can tolerate that, but there are so many small friction points with the application that just have never been improved, since they started focussing on enterprise customers the polish and care seems to have…

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Re: Top downloaded skill in ClawHub contains malware

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Sometimes it feels like the advent of LLMs is hyperboosting the undoing of decades of slow societal technical literacy that wasn't even close to truly taking foot yet. Though LLMs aren't the reason ; they're just the latest symptom. For a while it felt like people were getting more comfortable with and knowledgeable about tech, but in recent years, the exact opposite has been the case.

I think it’s generally (at least from what I read) thought that the advent of smartphones reversed the tech literacy trend.

They’re definitely what started it, but LLMs seem to be accelerating it at a terrifying rate.
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