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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Honest question: What does it mean to "raid" the offices of a tech company? It's not like they have file cabinets with paper records. Are they just seizing employee workstations? Seems like you'd want to subpoena source code or gmail history or something like that. Not much interesting in an office these days.

These days many tech company offices have a "panic button" for raids that will erase data. Uber is perhaps the most notorious example.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Honest question: What does it mean to "raid" the offices of a tech company? It's not like they have file cabinets with paper records. Are they just seizing employee workstations? Seems like you'd want to subpoena source code or gmail history or something like that. Not much interesting in an office these days.

These days many tech company offices have a "panic button" for raids that will erase data. Uber is perhaps the most notorious example.

It's sad to see this degree of incentives perverted, over adhering to local laws.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Every AI system is capable of generating CSAM and deep fakes if requested by a savvy user. The only thing this proves is that you can't upset the French government or they'll go on a fishing expedition through your office praying to find evidence of a crime.

> if requested by a savvy user Grok brought that thought all the way to "... so let's not even try to prevent it." The point is to show just how aware X were of the issue, and that they chose to repeatedly do nothing against Grok being used to create CSAM and probably other problematic and illegal imagery. I can't really doubt they'll find plenty of evidence during discovery, it doesn't have to be physical things. Th…

Grok does try to prevent it. They even publicly publish their safety prompt. It clearly shows they have disallowed the system from assisting with queries that create child sexual abuse material.

The fact that users have found ways to hack around this is not evidence of X committing a crime.

https://github.com/xai-org/grok-prompts/blob/main/grok_4_saf...

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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This is obviously diversion but anyway: Bunch of "American and European" "patriots" that he retweets 24/7 turned out to be people from Iran, Pakistan, India and Russia. These accounts generate likes by default by accounts with "wife of vet" in bio and generic old_blonde_women.jpeg aka bots.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj38m11218xo

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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This is really amusing to watch, because everything that Grok is accused of is something which you can also trigger in currently available open-weight models (if you know what you're doing). There's nothing special about Grok in this regard. It wasn't trained to be a MechaHitler, nor to generate CSAM. It's just relatively uncensored[1] compared to the competition, which means it can be easily manipulated to do what t…

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No. I'm just saying that people should be consistent and if they apply a certain standard to Grok then they should also apply the same standard to other things. Be consistent.

Meanwhile what I commonly see is people dunking on anything Musk-related because they dislike him, but give a free pass on similar things if it's not related to him.

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This is obviously diversion but anyway: Bunch of "American and European" "patriots" that he retweets 24/7 turned out to be people from Iran, Pakistan, India and Russia. These accounts generate likes by default by accounts with "wife of vet" in bio and generic old_blonde_women.jpeg aka bots. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj38m11218xo

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> where people can choose How true is this really? We certainly have data points to show Musk has put his thumb on the scale

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While there may be some feeds on Xitter that are basic algorithms, (1) it's not the only one (2) there may still be less mechanical algorithmic choices within following (what order, what mix, how much) (3) evidence to the contrary exists, are you freeing yourself of facts?

I haven't dug into whatever they open sourced about the algorithm to make definitive statements. Regardless, there are many pieces out there where you can learn about the evidence for direct manipulation.

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> The child abuse feels like a smaller problem compared to that risk. I think we can and should all agree that child sexual abuse is a much larger and more serious problem than political leanings. It's ironic as you're commenting about a social media platform, but I think it's frightening what social media has done to us with misinformation, vilification, and echo chambers, to think political leanings are worse than…

In fairness, AI-generated CSAM is nowhere near as evil as real CSAM. The reason why possession of CSAM was such a serious crime is because its creation used to necessitate the abuse of a child.

It's pretty obvious the French are deliberately conflating the two to justify attacking a political dissident.

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