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Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Post by sirspacey »

igorramazanov wrote: post #136

If a country changes course every four years, how can the success of a long-term project be ensured? And what of its negotiating credibility? How can the other side trust that an agreement will hold in the future? This is not a critique, but a genuine curiosity, because there's an obvious drawback with a system with opposing world views. Unless, of course, something still unites them in the first place, with acceptab…

you’ve landed on the core of politics

the shape of how things actually work is what’s left when constant churn (and now budget blocking) is a fact of life

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Post by vvpan »

igorramazanov wrote: post #136

If a country changes course every four years, how can the success of a long-term project be ensured? And what of its negotiating credibility? How can the other side trust that an agreement will hold in the future? This is not a critique, but a genuine curiosity, because there's an obvious drawback with a system with opposing world views. Unless, of course, something still unites them in the first place, with acceptab…

Which is largely why presidencies do not mess with the order they inherit too much (subjective statement I know). Most institutions and projects are not stressed and the government branches just keep doing what they always did. The current administration is an outlier, but we all know that.

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Post by shimman »

sirspacey wrote: post #161
igorramazanov wrote: post #136

If a country changes course every four years, how can the success of a long-term project be ensured? And what of its negotiating credibility? How can the other side trust that an agreement will hold in the future? This is not a critique, but a genuine curiosity, because there's an obvious drawback with a system with opposing world views. Unless, of course, something still unites them in the first place, with acceptab…

you’ve landed on the core of politics the shape of how things actually work is what’s left when constant churn (and now budget blocking) is a fact of life

No, this is the core of a particular brand of politics: neoliberal politics. Where the financialization of everything is what's most important. There was a time, still in lived memory, where the US government was able to complete many types of projects and it also coincided with the period of lowest economic inequality (the great compression), the expansion of civil rights, and had the highest taxes against the elites this country has ever seen.

Obviously if you hate democracy you'll want to destroy this system, which is what they've been working at for the last 50ish years.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #156
CamperBob2 wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you set up a durable judicial system, and give them their own army. That's the only way to work around Trump. According to the Constitution, no one can actually make the executive branch do anything it doesn't want to do.

No, that's not accurate. The courts frequently make Trump and his cronies do things they don't want to do, and prevent them from doing things they do want to do. Multiple such cases are described in the source article.

That state of affairs is seen as a bug, and is being fixed. [1]

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_Society

That aside: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/07/21/trump-cou...

Edit due to rate-limiting: that makes two of us.

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Post by ncr100 »

pwarner wrote: post #146
igorramazanov wrote: post #136

If a country changes course every four years, how can the success of a long-term project be ensured? And what of its negotiating credibility? How can the other side trust that an agreement will hold in the future? This is not a critique, but a genuine curiosity, because there's an obvious drawback with a system with opposing world views. Unless, of course, something still unites them in the first place, with acceptab…

I'm not advocating their system, but here's one pro for China obviously.

Also, China can lobby indirectly through media manipulation, and relatively cheaply disrupt our already clunky-feeling Democratic governmental processes.

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Post by smallmancontrov »

PaulHoule wrote: post #129
bmitc wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sad truth is that it's millions of people. These people just want to see the world burn due to nothing but narcissism and hate of the imaginary "other side".

There are a lot of people on "both sides" who choose their positions on the issues to fit their political party as opposed to choose the party that fits their positions. Particularly for an issue like offshore wind or Keystone XL that is basically "out of sight and out of mind" there are millions of people who would change their position if the right people told them to.

There it is, the both sides brigade, right on time!

No, Keystone XL was not the same level of pettiness as offshore wind. Find me the IPCC report equivalent that makes the case for wind farms doing whatever social damage Trump says they do. I'll wait.

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

bmitc wrote: post #106
verdverm wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

spite of one man child

The sad truth is that it's millions of people. These people just want to see the world burn due to nothing but narcissism and hate of the imaginary "other side".

There are not in fact millions of people who want to burn the world just to spite others. If you truly believe that then you have really failed to understand people around you, and should try to better empathize. As a rule, people do what they do because they believe it to be the right thing. They might be misguided in that belief, of course, but the idea of millions of people deciding on a cartoonishly evil course of action is not an accurate analysis of anything.

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #164
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, that's not accurate. The courts frequently make Trump and his cronies do things they don't want to do, and prevent them from doing things they do want to do. Multiple such cases are described in the source article.

That state of affairs is seen as a bug, and is being fixed. [1] 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_Society That aside: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/07/21/trump-cou... Edit due to rate-limiting: that makes two of us.

If Trump defies 1 in 3 of the court orders against him, that still means judges successfully stopped him 2 times out of 3. I'm not interested in a discussion where we equivocate between what's true today and worst case scenarios that could become true in the future, sorry.

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Post by shawn_w »

watersb wrote: post #56
Retric wrote: post #45

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Yes far worse, the superconducting supercollider produced science which has debatable value. There’s an argument we lost nothing by canceling the project. Wind farms produce electricity which pays for the investment when you finish but pays nothing when a stop early. This makes stopping early extremely economically harmful.

Esoteric programming language developed for the superconducting super collider, Glish, was picked up by the National Radio Astronomy Observatory, which used it well into the 2000s. Glish supported networked remote procedure calls, made then almost transparent to the program. Otherwise, Glish was roughly similar to Tcl or Lua. I don't know what other bits and pieces got salvaged from the SSC project.

Documentation etc: https://www.cv.nrao.edu/glish/papers/index.html

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Post by mixmastamyk »

tclancy wrote: post #116
threethirtytwo wrote: post #81

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Any freedom. For example you don't have the freedom to own guns in China.

Is that a freedom? You're defining everything as though the US were the optimal model of society. Couldn't I just as easily define the freedom to be safe from guns?

I contacted RINSE and got no answer as well, thanks for the reply even if HN mgmt doesn't like it. Join me in downvoting their post.
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